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1500 points.... space marines.... now just the perfect army list..

any suggestions when you mostly fight Imperial Guard, Eldar, and Tyranids?

Hey, personally I struggle getting through Cheese.. I mean wraithlords with the eldar lists. I have CSMs .

Problem is that you are best going for vindicators against the hordes of IG and Nids, but the Eldar have two very tough units. Avatars and WLs.

So always got to bring some heavy weapons to the table, but they're wasted against Nids.

But blowing up the IG's tanks from distance is a must as they do pie plate death very very well.

Nids are very easy for rines to beat - 3x dakka pred and as many rockets and heavy bolters you can feild.
IG is prolly the hardest army for the rines to beat - its one of the only armies that can outshoot you and your wasting points on 3+ saves that you are usually not taking vs battle cannons and laz cannons and melta guns. Massive deepstrike works well vs gaurd and anything that gets you into assualts quickly. Assault marrines work very well vs gaurd. So do legion of the damned with a multi melta and a flamer. Deepstrike your whole army and you have a shot at taking out all their armor in 1 turn and your in good shape then.
Vs eldar you should take a 10 man scout unit with snipers everytime and just spam those WL to death give them camo if you want and that 3+ inv cover save is very nice. Take 2x devs with 4 rockets make them 10 man so they are harder to kill. Split them up into 5 mans with 2 rockets and you dont waste anyfire trying to kill things. Put Laz in your Tacticals and kill howling banshees and WL before anything else.

I'd suggest starting off with a basic template for your list.

For example:

Lysander

5 Tactical Termies, Cyclone

Tac Squad, Missile, Flamer, Rhino

Tac Squad, Melta, Multi-melta, Rhino

...

Once you've got that base (not sugesting that the above core is the best or even good at all) work on variations for fighting each list. Once you've done that, post 'em up and we'll have a go at helping you out as best we can.

Grumzimus wrote:Hey, personally I struggle getting through Cheese.. I mean wraithlords with the eldar lists. I have CSMs .

Problem is that you are best going for vindicators against the hordes of IG and Nids, but the Eldar have two very tough units. Avatars and WLs.

So always got to bring some heavy weapons to the table, but they're wasted against Nids.

But blowing up the IG's tanks from distance is a must as they do pie plate death very very well.

Mind ASPLODING!

You think WRAITHLORDS are cheese? SERIOUSLY?! I'm sorry but have you even seen a seer council? let alone a JETcouncil?! Avatars and WL are big ol' KILL ME IM RIGHT HERE AND CAN GET NO COVER SO JUST SHOOT ME YEAH ME!. They are probably the LEAST threatening units eldar has. Between Firedragons, Falcons, Waveserpents, Jetcouncils, DA, Fireprisms THEY make eldar scary. Not WL and Avatars LOL!

Well vindicators can do well against nids, but if the IG is not playing mech, well then /lol lets move on. And vindis have almost no chance aginst mechdar.

@ OP

It's also a terrible idea to just focus your list on killing 3 armies. Make an all-comers competitive list is anything. I can build a list tailored to freakin own Eldar, but when I face green tide I get my s$*# handed to me, does that make me good?

Try to build a list that includes this: (I'm assuming a mech list usin rhinos etc.)

Librarian - Terminator Armor; Storm Shield; Null Zone* MUST

5x TH/SS Terminators in Dedicated LRC

Dreadnoughts w/ 2x TLAC (1-3x) or CCW + Flamer + MM 1-3x

10x marines w/ Meltaguns & ML or MM in Rhino (x2-x3)

1-3x landspeeders w/ MM & HF and or 3x MM Attack Bikes

1-3x Predators w/ AC + HB

Playing a list like this will get you anti-light armor (crucial against Ig and Eldar) AND be good for MC hunting. Good/Decent amount of melta, and a big NONO unit with the libby + TH/SS terminators that can WRECK Avatars, WL, Nobs, Carnifexes, Hive Tyrants ETC.

marines are MG delivery service. They don't get out of their X-Ports if they don't have to for the most part.

LS & or MM AB are tank hunters and LS can also kill infantry

predators are anti-light armor and anti-infantry. These guy pwn. You can cripple MechIG and the LS and or MM AB can cripple crucial armor and they are great for running down mechdar runners. This kinda list will get you sucess lol. If you want a list like this with a specific point value (like 1500 or w/e) I can build it but just post here or PM me if you want it.

GL

I will second the use of the dreads with 2 TL Autocannons,

I've been running three for a while and the 12 str 7 shots shred everything except TEQ and AV14

So run them with some Multi-melta Speeders and some plasma guns/cannons.

Also using a Master of the Forge to hang with and repair the dreads is awesome, plus you get to add more elites!