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I have been giving some thought to the new Space Wolves codex and their ability to negate powers on 4+ (3+ for Njal). Also, I have been thinking about their psychic powers and how they affect jetbikes, not to mention Jaws of the World Wolf.

Anyways, I came up with this list from the models I have available...it means shelving most of my bikes, but I was getting tired of the ChedDar comments with my bike council anyways...just curious what everyone here thinks about it:

HQ:
Farseer: Runes of Warding and Witnessing, Spirit Stones, Doom, and Fortune
(155)
Farseer: Runes of Warding and Witnessing, Spirit Stones, Doom, and Fortune
(155)

Elites:
Fire Dragons x5, Wave Serpent with TL-Lance and Stones
(225)
Fire Dragons x5, Wave Serpent with TL-Lance and Stones
(225)

Troops:
Dire Avengers x5, Wave Serpent with TL-Scatter and Stones
(185)
Dire Avengers x5, Wave Serpent with TL-Scatter and Stones
(185)
Dire Avengers x5, Wave Serpent with TL-Scatter and Stones
(185)

Fast Attack:
Vyper with Shuriken Cannon and Scatter
(70)
Vyper with Shuriken Cannon and Scatter
(70)
Vyper with Shuriken Cannon and Scatter
(70)

Heavy Support:
Fire Prism w/ Holo and Stones
(160)
Fire Prism w/ Holo and Stones
(160)

Total = 1850pts

Reasons:
I have alot of scatter lasers because where I play there is alot of Rhino Spam with Space Marines (Chaos too) as well as alot of Wartrukk Orks. So far the Scatter Lasers have done a wonderful job of popping alot of trukks on the other side of the board.

Opinions Welcomed.

Drop one of your Runes of Warding, you only need 1. Other than that looks fine.

Just some thoughts...

Throw star engines on one serpent to move during shooting phase to block LOS to vypers after they fire.

Also, recommend getting Guide on one Farseer for those Vypers. Go from 11 hits to 16 on average.

I like it. Which squads get the Farseers riding with them?

I'd like something more than str 6 shooting transports, but if it's working for you, good job, keep it up.

@ Old Man Ultramarine:

You are right about the star engines, I had forgotten about that.

What would you do to get the star engines? What would you do to get guide?

I am curious what you would lose to get the points.


@Iboshi2:

The Farseers would probably ride with a couple of the Avengers squads. Unless I am facing more heavily armoured enemies, then with the Fire Dragons.

I have to say the 5 man DA squads are kinda weak. I think they would function much better as 2x 10 man bladestorm squads rather than the 3 serpant spam. YMMV

I'd probably drop both Farseers and add Eldrad and a fusion gun Autarch. This will allow you to reserve whole army and come in reasonably early.

or

Drop stones from Prisms. You're mech heavy so they may not be needed.

Best way to find out what works is playtest with different set-ups. We all play differently and Mechdar is very adaptable.

Well, I'd get rid of one Farseer and eventually drop the Prisms' holofields.
This would give you more than 200 pts to spend...

wuestenfux wrote:Well, I'd get rid of one Farseer and eventually drop the Prisms' holofields.
This would give you more than 200 pts to spend...

I agree with this, also

@Old Man Ultramarine:

Even though I didn't want to field Eldrad....mainly on the principle that everyone else does, having him versus the two farseers would mean I still can fortune two of the waveserpents...and guide the vypers....for point purposes it makes since....hate doing "what everyone else is doing."

@Wuestenfux:

I am very reluctant to get rid of the holofields. I know that they are incredibly expensive, but they quite often keep my Fire Prisms alive for an extra turn or two. Most of the guys at the hobby shops I play at tend to mass their long range firepower against them - early and often. However, dropping down to one Farseer (Eldrad) will save me points...hmm.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Okay, after going over the advice I have been given by Old Man Ultramarine and Wustenfux, I have used alot of their ideas and this is what my list now looks like, I will have to buy another vyper and Eldrad, but I think it is a better list than the first one....so what do you think?

HQ:
Eldrad
(210)

Elites:
Fire Dragons x5, Wave Serpent with TL-Lance and Stones
(225)
Fire Dragons x5, Wave Serpent with TL-Lance and Stones
(225)

Troops:
Dire Avengers x5, Wave Serpent with TL-Scatter and Stones and Star Engines
(200)
Dire Avengers x5, Wave Serpent with TL-Scatter and Stones and Star Engines
(200)
Dire Avengers x5, Wave Serpent with TL-Scatter and Stones
(185)

Fast Attack:
Vyper Squadron with Two Vypers
Both with Shuriken Cannons and Scatters
(140)
Vyper Squadron with Two Vypers
Both with Shuriken Cannons and Scatters
(140)

Heavy Support:
Fire Prism w/ Holo and Stones
(160)
Fire Prism w/ Holo and Stones
(160)

Total = 1850pts

I was along those lines, too with Eldrad, but he is just better. The ability to use 3 powers far outweighs any other choice.

Your list looks fine. Have fun with it.

I may try it out on the weekend.

@Old Man Ultramarine:
If you do, let me know how it works.
I will have to get a vyper this weekend and Eldrad before I can use the list.

Plus --- I have a game schedule with my Tyranids against my buddies this Wednesday and this Saturday. So it will be atleast two weeks before I use it....but I will let you know when I do....thanks for the input!!!

Well, looks quite good.
But you need to be careful with the Serpents transporting the DA units.
These minimized units are not very durable when they disembark or crawl out of a crashed transport.
I'd be inclined to drop the star engines (keeping the Serpents shooty) and beef up the DA units.

@ Wuestenfux:

I am a bit cautious about the small Avenger units as well.
Once I get the Vyper I need and Eldrad, I will begin some play testing.
If I notice that the troops are getting eaten up, I would be inclined to drop a vyper, and make them three individual units. Not having one large Vyper Squadron, would facilitate me dropping the star engines as I wouldn't need to screen them after they shoot. This would give me 100 points to spend on beefing up the Dire Avengers. I believe it would work out to two squads getting 3 and one getting 2.
I will have to play test it to be sure, but the above list is the direction I am leaning, although if squad survival becomes a problem, I might have to make changes.

I'd put the TL-Bright Lances on the Dire Avenger's Wave Serpents and just take TL-Shuriken Cannons on the Fire Dragon's transports.