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Im just curious how other people play this. As we all know all melta weapons are AP1 but for some reason on melta bombs it doesnt list this. How do you guys play it? How do you guys think this is RAW and RAI?

The rules dont say melta bombs have AP 1. Thats why i dont play them as AP 1. Simple.

Kommandant56434 wrote:The rules dont say melta bombs have AP 1. Thats why i dont play them as AP 1. Simple.

Not disagreeing though infact they dont list any AP for them and dramatically reduces how good they are at killing vehicles.

When used in close combat, weapons never have an AP value, grenades included.

COnsistency - as was posted above, no CC attack has an AP. To give MB AP1 would look very odd, as you would have Kraks having AP3, etc...

Raern wrote:When used in close combat, weapons never have an AP value, grenades included.

Agreed. Thats the way we play at my FLGS. They have strength rating, but no AP.

a more shady question about meltabombs, when rolling to pen a Monolith you cannot gain any extra dice for penetration, however meltabombs dont roll "extra" dice, they just roll 8+2d6, RAW is that meltabombs would still roll the 2d6.

I never bother to enforce this one though, because I just ignore monoliths and phase them out.

oh, and meltabombs are not AP1

None.
I do find it funny that melta bombs do not have the melta rule, but that is CC for you.

Meltabombs have No Ap.

Please note this is not the same as having an Ap of None (-).

No AP Value (Close Combat Attacks, Grenades) roll normally on the vehicle damage table. Ap of None (-) has a -1 Modifier.

Many thanks to Iboshi2 for correcting mah typoz

Gwar! IIRC, ap (-) is only a minus 1 on the damage chart. Do I recall correctly? (No rulebook right now.)

Iboshi2 wrote:Gwar! IIRC, ap (-) is only a minus 1 on the damage chart. Do I recall correctly? (No rulebook right now.)

Yup, you are right. Damn fat fingers. I was meant to hit 1. -2 is glancing hits

Very good poll... I've been wondering about this. It seems that some would 'imply' that melta would confer AP1 to the bombs, but this thread puts that to rest.

Just for a final nail in that argument - The melta rule gives an extra D6 at half range. It does not give AP1.

So, the melta rule would still not give meltabombs AP1.

And, of course, meltabombs don't even have the melta rule.

Good point on the half-range argument. What's half range of 0" again?

Grunt_For_Christ wrote:Good point on the half-range argument. What's half range of 0" again?

0/x = 0 by definition

For the sake of being a d***, not all Melta weapons are AP1, ergo the topic is based on a logical fallacy.

We play Meltabombs as having no AP as, not surprisingly, they have no AP.

Elric of Grans wrote:For the sake of being a d***, not all Melta weapons are AP1, ergo the topic is based on a logical fallacy.

We play Meltabombs as having no AP as, not surprisingly, they have no AP.

Out of interest, what does have the melta rule but is not AP1, because I cannot think of anything.

edit: It seems only the Inferno Pistol would qualify