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Teclis
475

Mage: lvl 2, 2x Dispell Scroll, Silver Wand
185

Caradryan
175

10x Archers
110

10x Archers
110

18x Phoenix Guard: Full Command, Banner of Sorcery
350

5x Dragon Princes: Full Command, Skeinsliver, Lion Standard
250

5x Dragon Princes: Full Command, Dragonhorn, Banner of Ellyrion
240

Repeater Bolt Thrower
100

Repeater Bolt Thrower
100

Repeater Bolt Thrower
100

Great Eagle
50

TOTAL: 2245
MODELS: 62

I wanted to do something other than the Star Dragon and Teclis is the reason I started playing fantasy in the first place, so I firgured I'd see what I could come up with involving him. I'm really open to comments/suggestions to improving the list. Thanks!

Hmmm...

Looks pretty good.

Be wary of lists that will shoot your Dragon Princes and your Great Eagle whilst combo-charging your Pheonix Guard.

Firstly, I think you need 3 troops for 2250 points.

Secondly, I would personally drop the excess command on the DPs (keeping the banners may not be a bad idea depending on your opponents, though).

Cryonicleech wrote:Hmmm...

Looks pretty good.

Be wary of lists that will shoot your Dragon Princes and your Great Eagle whilst combo-charging your Pheonix Guard.

Yea, I'm sure that gunline is a rather tough matchup for this list. Aside from that though, my ranged weapons (3 RBTs and 20 Archers) should have decent enough output to contend with opposing shooty elements.

Jin wrote:Firstly, I think you need 3 troops for 2250 points.

Secondly, I would personally drop the excess command on the DPs (keeping the banners may not be a bad idea depending on your opponents, though).

HE are 2+ core units at 2000-2999 points.

I wanted the extra command because they really ned to be winning combats when they charge. Are the extra attack and tiebreaker (musician) just not worth it?

I assume you're putting Teclis in the unit of Phoenix Guard? For all the times he has been the "man of the match", players tend to forget that he is only T3 and can get skewered easily.

He's actually T2 but yes, he will likely hang out in there and then jump out of the unit before it hits combat and/or have Caradryan issue a challenge to try and help protect him.

Now, not to be a nit picker, but 20 Archers isn't going to do much, IMHO.

At 11 points per model, S3 24" Bows aren't going to dent much armor (In this example, I'll use Dwarfs)

What Dwarfs can do is shoot any high-threat targets (Dragons Princes, eventually RBTS, which Miners can deal with) Whilst aiming all other shooting at your Pheonix Guard.

Now, Pheonix Guard are Fantastic. But not THAT fantastic. A 4+ Ward will only work for so long.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is, is add more blocks to this list.

Bah. My bad. Got the points levels confused (thought 2-3k changed up from the 2+ Core).

Re: DP command - I suppose this comes down to personal preference, really, but for the same points as the muso and champion, you can get a whole new DP to add to the unit giving it +2US and +2 attacks. With no characters riding along, you don't really need a champion in the unit. Especially considering the size of your force, having extra bodies is a great help to the High Elves. I'd move the Skeinsliver to the PG Champion if you elect this route (that +1 for first turn is essential). Honestly, I'd drop all the command entirely for this list just to find more points for more bodies (maybe a chariot to help out).

@Cryonic - in an army like this, you're putting as many points into the special/rare/hero slots as you can over Core. 20 Archers are simply the most efficient way of getting to that. 2x 10 Spears are technically the cheapest way of filling out core, but they are likely to contribute absolutely nothing to a game. At least the archers could get a couple of rounds of shooting (admittedly non-stunning) that could at least lop off a rank or two on light to moderately armored units.

I agree with you that the list could do with more units, though focusing in on just a Dwarf match-up is a bit disingenuous since it is the Rock to this list's Scissor.

I totally didn't make the connection that Champ + Musician = another Prince for each unit. I'm going to definitely make that switch. I want to keep at least the Lion Standard in the DP unit though since I think its ideal to minimize the effects of psychology whenever possible.

I took the Dragonhorn for the same reason. I can use the horn on an important turn to help make sure I don't fail crucial tests. If I drop the Champ from the Prince unit I'll be hard pressed to find room for it though. It is basically a 45pt item in the DPs though (20 for champ, 25 for item itself) so perhaps it is simply not worth it? Given a choice between the two, I'd take the Skeinsliver for sure.

And yea, gunline is going to be a very rough matchup for a list like this. I don't see myself doing very well against Dwarfs and some Empire lists.

Then again, seeing as how Daemons are running 'round rampant, you should be fine.

Updated list:

Teclis
475

Mage: lvl 2, 2x Dispell Scroll, Silver Wand
185

Caradryan
175

10x Archers
110

10x Archers
110

20x Phoenix Guard: Full Command, Skeinsliver, Banner of Sorcery
405

6x Dragon Princes: Standard Bearer, Lion Standard
225

6x Dragon Princes: Standard Bearer, Banner of Ellyrion
215

Repeater Bolt Thrower
100

Repeater Bolt Thrower
100

Repeater Bolt Thrower
100

Great Eagle
50

TOTAL: 2250
MODELS: 66

The big changes are to the Dragon Princes. I dropped a bunch of the command pieces in order t oget an extra body in each unit. I also had to cut Dragonhorn completely as I didn't have another model that could carry it. I'm not overly excited about that since I think the re-rolls can be extremely important sometimes. I do think that Skeinsliver is a better bet though, so I opted to keep that (it is now in the PXG unit) over the Dragonhorn.

I had 30 points left and not much to really do with it so I bumped the PXG up to 20 (I could snag another DP instead?). with Caradryan included I can run a 7 base front and still pickup rank bonuses if need be.

I'm not sure that I want to keep Caradryan around at this point though. He seems to be pretty much the ideal bodyguard for Teclis, especially with receiving challenges. Still though, the Battle Banner is so very good that I'm struggling to justify not running it. If I drop the PXG down to 18 again and drop Caradryan I mgiht be able to squeeze enough points for a BSB with the Battle Banner. Thoughts on this switch?