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Hey, the rules for breath of chaos read as follows:
"breath of chaos is a template weapon... wounds on a 4+..." ect.
It does NOT give a type, such as Assult1, nor does it have a Strength Value.
Does this mean that Breath of Chaos can be used IN ADDITION to other attacks or does it count as a psychic shooting attack?
Thanks.

All the absence of a weapon type does is lead to the occasional debate about whether or not one can assault after using the ability.
It says that it is a template weapon, and you might notice the inclusion of the word weapon. Please explain how you are planning on using the weapon without firing it.

It's not a psychic shooting attack, because nothing in Chaos Daemons is a psychic shooting attack.

Template Weapons are always assault unless otherwise specified if memory servers.

Ahh, okay, so that means that i cant use it and another shooting attack, i geddit, thanks (feels crushed at mommintarily thinking Fateweever could use 4 psychic attacks in a turn)

Bascilica wrote:Ahh, okay, so that means that i cant use it and another shooting attack, i geddit, thanks (feels crushed at mommintarily thinking Fateweever could use 4 psychic attacks in a turn)

Just remember: Fateweaver can't use any psychic attacks. He can, however, shoot three different weapons at three different targets.

Modquisition insert just because I can: remember demonic powers are not psychic attacks.

oh for chirsts sake, its an attack from a psychic source. Okay, because the guys pro, it bay count as just a shooting weapon, but as far as fluf is concearned, it isnt mechanichal, or organic, therefore its magic.
Btw, what the hell does DCM stand for?


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Right, got it, i read it on my own last post...

Geez, they're just making sure you know you don't have to roll a psychic test for it (and it can't be blocked by psychic hoods and such). While it might just seem like a different pronunciation for "tomato" to you, it is a fairly important distinction.

And DCM stands for Dakka Contributing Member, I think. Basically, they just donate a little bit of money towards the upkeep of the site and get rewarded with their own little forum or something. Having never done it despite being a member here for years, I don't know for sure.

EDITED by Modquisition. If you want to split hairs, go create a thread on the deffinition of the word "psychic" but be sure i wont be commenting it when you can just as easily use a Dictionary.
And note the ammendment.

PS: don't take this too seriously

Bascilica wrote:oh for chirsts sake, its an attack from a psychic source.

Errm... No. Chaos Daemons do not have any Psychic powers at all. All their abilities require Leadership Tests, no Psychic Tests.

that comment, FYI Gwar, however much i respect many of yoru descisions, was from the point of view of Fluff, where the word "psychic" is not derivative of a particular rule but of the idea of somthing magical.
And could i please have a Chaos Daemons Page Reff on the thing about leadership tests, because i most certainly cant find it...

Bascilica wrote:that comment, FYI Gwar, however much i respect many of yoru descisions, was from the point of view of Fluff, where the word "psychic" is not derivative of a particular rule but of the idea of somthing magical.
And could i please have a Chaos Daemons Page Reff on the thing about leadership tests, because i most certainly cant find it...

Ok, my bad, I was thinking about something else with regards to the Ld test. However, Chaos Daemon powers are not Psychic powers, either in the fluff nor in the game. Page 73 "Note that these attacks are not psychic powers."

consession to use of the word "psychic" i clearly should have uses a synonym such as "magic" or "The POWER of the MMIIINNDDDD"


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Oh, and Page 73, as you have said, says htey are not psychic powers. It ALSO says they are "supernatrul powers" which is synonomous to what i was saying. The problem i have made, i aknowledge, was that i failed to distinguish between the the rule "psychic" and the fluff "magical attacks" and clearly the post that started this debate should have read:
"feels crushed at mommintarily thinking Fateweever could use 4 MAGICAL MIND POWER attacks in a turn"

Bascilica wrote:consession to use of the word "psychic" i clearly should have uses a synonym such as "magic" or "The POWER of the MMIIINNDDDD"


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Oh, and Page 73, as you have said, says htey are not psychic powers. It ALSO says they are "supernatrul powers" which is synonomous to what i was saying. The problem i have made, i aknowledge, was that i failed to distinguish between the the rule "psychic" and the fluff "magical attacks" and clearly the post that started this debate should have read:
"feels crushed at mommintarily thinking Fateweever could use 4 MAGICAL MIND POWER attacks in a turn"

Psychic Power has a VERY specific meaning in Warhammer 40k, thus your use of psychic as a synonym was a poor choice.

Stabbing a dead thing is a very chaotic act to come from a Long-toothed Great Company Wolf Lord (oh, you looking forward to the new SW codex?)
So, when i use the terms "consession" "the problem i have made" "aknowledge" and "i failed" i dont expect somone who thinks themselves loyalist to drill it in further. The debates dead. Lets not be pig-headed. People don't NEED to know the Gwar is the best, they just know, its instinct.

Except you didn't concede anything, you keep thinking that you can use a "synonym", but the 40k rules have a very specific definition of "Psychic Powers" and "Ranged Weapons", meaning the distinction is important.

Some Psychic powers are Psychic Shooting Attacks, but Chaos Demons do not have any of those, they count all their "Gifts" as regular shooting weapons, and follow all the rules for shooting in the Warhammer 40k rulebook. Aside from not requiring a psychic test to use, they also cannot be nullified by a psychic hood, or warded off with a special Psychic defense such as the Aegis (for Grey Knights) or the "Shield of Faith" (for Sisters).

Also, you may want to tone down some of your posts here. I notice that you are new, but the number 1 rule of Dakka is to "be polite", especially to those that are taking the time to help you by answering your rules questions.

This thread has been reported. This thread is closed temporarily while I review it for disciplinary proceedings.
Ok cleared up.

Everyone Lets remember Rule #1, be polite. Also lets remember proper spelling, punctuation, and grammar are important. When this comes from someone like myself who can't type you know its important.

Allright, Im going to try and summaries whats happened here from my point of view.
I asked a Question, which was answered quite nicely. Since then, Solkan correctly picked me up on my misuse of the word "psychic" and a whole lot of people jumped in to smash me on it. While i at first tried to deffend myself, i then appologised. Then a few people tried to jump on the "yeah, you should be" train, which was a bit harsh IMO.
Finally, it got locked, which was a shock to me, but We're all happy now and thank Frazzled for his/her careful clean up.
Prehapse we should all stop now as the original question was answered quite well.