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At a recent match my Ork army fielded one of the old GW small Ork trukks. They're very short and I was able to travel practically beneath my new GW battlewagon preventing LOS. The new Ork trukks are much larger, making LOS much easier on them.

How do you guys handle this? Do you just not use the old trukk's anymore? Do you use modified points costs and capacities? Count them as buggies? I'm just curious so we can build our own standard for their use.

You CAN use them as buggies. Thats not a problem. BUT they ARE a legal GW vehicle and as such you can use them as a trukk. Obviously you can go around rules like you mentioned. So it becomes a question of "what are YOU going to do about it"

Well, clearly I'd like to use them as Trukks. They're /awesome/ trukks. But I want to be fair as well.

Well, fair enough to keep my friends from crying too much.

Well then use them as trukks. Thats what they are. People use old school dreds as dreds, and tanks and so forth. So it is totally legal to do what you plan. Just be prepared to hear people whine about it. So enjoy it
I use old rhinos converted, as my trukks. I once in awhile here people complain about that too. people are going to whine either way. Its AV10. Now shoot a damn bolt pistol at it and blow it up already lol

If you want to make them more "fair" or inline with the LoS profile of the newer trukks, you can convert them, but honestly I see tons of the old trukks, and while they can be frustratingly easy to hide, they are still 100% legal models. You break no rules by using them as they are.

willydstyle wrote:If you want to make them more "fair" or inline with the LoS profile of the newer trukks, you can convert them, but honestly I see tons of the old trukks, and while they can be frustratingly easy to hide, they are still 100% legal models. You break no rules by using them as they are.

Indeed. If you throw a hissy fit because your opponent has been playing longer than you and has the old models, you need to re-evaluate your life imo.

Well, people throwing hissy fits aside...

You can also field the old avatar model, the one that's smaller than most of today's aspect warriors.

I will reserve the right to call you an ass if you do.

But no, nothing really wrong with fielding the old trukks, they have a wider footprint I think which might help some to balance. There's nothing really wrong with fielding those trukks IMO (but plenty wrong with that old avatar, even on a new larger base).

I still use my old trukks, and honestly I've used my new trukk as a counts as Battlewagon in a few matches. Those things are almost as big as the BW model.

But, yeah, you do get to hear a bit of grief from some players when you field them - especially in competitive play. I usually just scream 'Waaagh, da Orks, Waaagh!' in their face until they stop.

...on an unrelated note I don't get many sportsmanship points usually.

Thor665 wrote:...on an unrelated note I don't get many sportsmanship points usually.

You play Dark Eldar, where the only way to win is to hypnotise your opponent with Wyche Bewbies. Ofc you get low Sportsmanship scores

I have a friend that uses them as trukks still and the only gripe i have about it is that the new trukk model looks so much better. (play orks myself)
I don't see the small size as being a free advantage, it's an advantage i'll agree that, but it doesn't come free:
- you lose the option to obscure a battlewagon
- lose the option to hide orks out of LOS with it (or it's wreck)
- lose a couple inches when doing a sideways deploy + first turn pivot
- an embarked KFF mek will cover less area
- embarked burnas cover less area they can template
- you have to convert vehicle options like boarding planks, wrecking balls, reinforced rams, ...

Funny thing about this happened to me recently in an RTT. I used the new trukks, my FW BW, a scratchbuilt BW (same dimensions as the FW one) and a Looted LR as a BW. In game 2 I played another Ork player who used the new BW and the old Trukks. After the game was over he commented that he didn't think I was playing fair since I could hide my trukks behind my BWs and he couldn't shoot at them with his Lootas. Come to find out in his other games, he was claiming that his trukks got a cover save from the Mobs in front of them since they are so short.

Go figure that one.

Personally, I think the newer trukks are a tad bit large for what they are. Something that large, is even easier to hit, which for a trukk sucks because well..... Ive seen them go by by from a lucky bolt pistol shot.

Not with bad, but this has been discussed many times already..
On topic, yes, IMO you can and you MUST use them if you have them as Trukks.
Expect that I don't like them. The ork drivers are so small...

nyyman wrote:Expect that I don't like them. The ork drivers are so small...

Well of course dere small, if dey woz a propa size dey would get ta hop outta the trukk an' help wit the krumpin!

Thors right lol


Oi YOU DER! YOUS TO WEEDY TA BE IN DA FOIGHT! YOUS DRIVE DA TRUKKS NOW! nOW GET OUTTA MA SOIGHT YA GIT!!!

Thor665 wrote:I usually just scream 'Waaagh, da Orks, Waaagh!' in their face until they stop.

...on an unrelated note I don't get many sportsmanship points usually.

I found this hilarious for no particular reason that I can put my finger on.

-GK

shoot, I'm always half tempted to use the old Ghazhkull Model, it's still legal right ;P

MeanGreenStompa wrote:You can also field the old avatar model, the one that's smaller than most of today's aspect warriors.

This one?

I thought that was an Epic model?

Daggermaw wrote:shoot, I'm always half tempted to use the old Ghazhkull Model, it's still legal right ;P

Problem is, it's not a legal representation of his wargear - it'd be like using the old Marneus model to rep him in his terminator armour profile.

Thor665 wrote:
But, yeah, you do get to hear a bit of grief from some players when you field them - especially in competitive play. I usually just scream 'Waaagh, da Orks, Waaagh!' in their face until they stop.

...on an unrelated note I don't get many sportsmanship points usually.

You know, I'd almost pay to see that.

Daggermaw wrote:shoot, I'm always half tempted to use the old Ghazhkull Model, it's still legal right ;P

Problem is, it's not a legal representation of his wargear - it'd be like using the old Marneus model to rep him in his terminator armour profile.


Yes BUT Calgar can take EITHER terminator armor or his artificer armor. Therefore, it WOULD count as legal


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unistoo wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:You can also field the old avatar model, the one that's smaller than most of today's aspect warriors.

This one?

I thought that was an Epic model?

Daggermaw wrote:shoot, I'm always half tempted to use the old Ghazhkull Model, it's still legal right ;P

Problem is, it's not a legal representation of his wargear - it'd be like using the old Marneus model to rep him in his terminator armour profile.

Also about the old Avatar, nope mgs is right. Look at the base. Epic didnt use those bases AFAIK

KingCracker wrote:Epic didnt use those bases AFAIK

Yes it did I think:
http://zachary.org/games/gw/epic17.jpg
http://zachary.org/games/gw/epic12.jpg
http://zachary.org/games/gw/epic8.jpg

Still, that's an avatar for 40K:
http://zachary.org/games/gw/eldar4.jpg

Yep, circa 1990 (introduced in the writeup for eldar in WD127).

I'd happily use him for an autarch these days (Most Phoenix lords are larger in stature).

I use the smaller trukk models in my speed freek army for a few reasons.

(a) I've been playing orks for almost 4 years now so I've a bunch of the old trukks in my army and I'm not spending E30 for new trukks when they do the exact same job as the new ones.

(b) I honestly prefer the look of them, sure the crew look poor but I just replace them with coverted orks that look much better, thereby totally improving the look of the trukk and making it look better than the new one in my opinion.

(c) They're smaller than the new model and therefore easier to hide, some people call this cheesy but when you've to pay 30pts for an open-topped AV10 vehicle that can now only move 18" a turn I'm not going to make it easier for my opponent to blow it up. On a related note I also think the new battlewagon is too small (especially compared to the new trukk) so I'm in the process of converting my battlewagon from a land raider as I think its a bit more orky.

Another question along this line is what constitutes the hull of a new Trukk? I've had people claim LOS when all they can see is a roll bar or the top of the Boarding Planks. If I put the armored plates on the side are they good enough for LOS?

Yes.
Your opponent saying they can blow up your trukk by shooting a roll bar is a joke. It actually shows you in the rule book what counts on the vehicle. So give it a read.


Webbe - AAh thanks for those. Now I know. And knowing is... well you get it

In the core rulebook pg. 60 has the referenced rules that can arguably prevent you of being shot in the roll bar. I know I have to reference them all the time to prevent my DE Raiders from being popped with a lascannon because one of my 129987x10 blades/fins/pointy protrusions is sticking out from the building I'm cowering behind.