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Well I already ordered a bunch of eldar but the only troop choices I got was the 5 rangers and 2 sets of 10 plus wep platform guardians. From what I have read in 90% of lists seems like no one uses eldar guardians. Just storm guardians or avengers. Are they the kroot of Eldar or something? The 5+ save sucks yeah but its alot of guns and 10 of them + a wep platform for when the transport coffin explodes, assuming they live.

I like making my own lists but *stupid box isnt here yet* I have yet to play these guys. Whats the deal?

Eldar guardians.... yeah. They have assault 2 weapons, which have 12" range, so if you want to shoot something, you have to voluntarily close to assault range to do it. Assault range is the single place guardians do not want to be. Basically, if people take them, they take them as 9 ablative wounds for the guy you need to fire the platform. Popular weapons are a scatter laser or a ML (i prefer scatter laser).

Personally I don't play Eldar but I do have the codex so I know what they're like on paper, and this - and what i've heard - is what I'm basing my advice on...

Guardians can be great for just sitting on objectives (Grot style), or what you could do in theory is sit them in front of Pathfinders, your 85pts Guardians shielding your pathfinders with a bloody impressive inv. save, however the enemy gets the save aswell i think...

I like the sound of a squad of 20 Guardians, they can pack a major and cheap punch! Give em' a warlock with conceal to improve their staying-power and/or a Farseer with doom and/or guide - that'd be mean!

However yeah, I personally opt for dire avengers because theyre sooooo good for their pts and many people swear by them, Jet Bike's are also handy to harass and nick objectives late game...

However Guardians are a perfectly adequate unit, maybe not as good as some but still good. I personally would equip them with a shuriken cannon because theyre a bargain for 5pts, however many people swear by scatter lasers and a bright lance could be sheilded by the rest of the squad whilst popping tanks...

Just my opinion. and please for the love of (the Eldar) god[s] don't use a mechanised list, theyre everywhere!

Good Luck

Gwyidion wrote:Eldar guardians.... yeah. They have assault 2 weapons, which have 12" range, so if you want to shoot something, you have to voluntarily close to assault range to do it. Assault range is the single place guardians do not want to be. Basically, if people take them, they take them as 9 ablative wounds for the guy you need to fire the platform. Popular weapons are a scatter laser or a ML (i prefer scatter laser).

Well good to hear. Was worried they were gonna be like the kroot *You have to base your army around them to make them work where I believe they should be self sufficient*

Chickenlegs! wrote:Personally I don't play Eldar but I do have the codex so I know what they're like on paper, and this - and what i've heard - is what I'm basing my advice on...

Guardians can be great for just sitting on objectives (Grot style), or what you could do in theory is sit them in front of Pathfinders, your 85pts Guardians shielding your pathfinders with a bloody impressive inv. save, however the enemy gets the save aswell i think...

I like the sound of a squad of 20 Guardians, they can pack a major and cheap punch! Give em' a warlock with conceal to improve their staying-power and/or a Farseer with doom and/or guide - that'd be mean!

However yeah, I personally opt for dire avengers because theyre sooooo good for their pts and many people swear by them, Jet Bike's are also handy to harass and nick objectives late game...

However Guardians are a perfectly adequate unit, maybe not as good as some but still good. I personally would equip them with a shuriken cannon because theyre a bargain for 5pts, however many people swear by scatter lasers and a bright lance could be sheilded by the rest of the squad whilst popping tanks...

Just my opinion. and please for the love of (the Eldar) god[s] don't use a mechanised list, theyre everywhere!

Good Luck

Thank you both for the useful feedback and advice. My Eldar list isn't a meq list. The reason I bought the army was for baharroth's model and the wraithlord / guards (so model painting aesthetic reasons.) I plan on having a lot of them. I havn't bought the swooping hawks or baharroth yet cause I wanted to play eldar a bit to get use to them. I plan on implementing the pathfinders as well. I want to control map boards more then hope for full out tank attack.

Meeting your enemy head on is Ork way which I have an army for. I want to master da Strategery.

In the ork army Snikrot is my favorite model because of him in a list all my opponents dont hug edges. That is an amazing advantage.

ok, well, right off, i have to say, if you mean to have your army be effective or competitive, you are going to run into trouble with Baharroth and swooping hawks. The eldar codex doesn't have many bad units, but swooping hawks are one of them - they just aren't good. And as far as phoenix lords (which are generally regarded as overpriced and not very effective), Baharroth is the worst, by a large margin.

Gwyidion wrote:ok, well, right off, i have to say, if you mean to have your army be effective or competitive, you are going to run into trouble with Baharroth and swooping hawks. The eldar codex doesn't have many bad units, but swooping hawks are one of them - they just aren't good. And as far as phoenix lords (which are generally regarded as overpriced and not very effective), Baharroth is the worst, by a large margin.

Agreed, If I plan on doing a tourney with my eldar the only phoenix lord I would consider (due to my lack of experience so far with eldar) would be maugen ra. Then again if I want to take advantage of his crackshot would just DA squad with it. I dunno I can't say anything really till I get to playin these guys.

Unfortunately I have no FLGS around me unless I start one at a local comic book store. So I would have to travel for the tourney's next year and the debate would be Eldar or My orks. Will have to see.

i collect eldar , so i know what youre on about. Guardians are weak, but when those shruiken catapults are in range...OMG. If you think theyre too weak still, give each squad a warlock with conceal. thats a save against most things. hope i helped. also eldar ftw, read david and goliath on general discussion to prove how good they are!

well guardians are good with the scatterlaser. However out of personal experience they should only be taken if you have extra points and everything else is to expensive.

Ive used them and liked them like i said before with a scatterlaser but i have just condensed my list enough to just add another squad of avengers.

dont depend on them for anything and you will use them succesfully

HiddenPower wrote:well guardians are good with the scatterlaser. However out of personal experience they should only be taken if you have extra points and everything else is to expensive.

Ive used them and liked them like i said before with a scatterlaser but i have just condensed my list enough to just add another squad of avengers.

dont depend on them for anything and you will use them succesfully

Sounds like my ork deffkoptas

lol i know wat you mean squezed in 3 defkoptas with shottas just because I love their look but utterly useless

HiddenPower wrote:lol i know wat you mean squezed in 3 defkoptas with shottas just because I love their look but utterly useless

Ah God, I LoL'd at that one

butt yeah back on topic. I remember back in the day when the rules for terrain were in effect that guardians were awesome.

back then i took guardians over avengers!
Back then if you were within 3" of area terrain you could not shoot out or be shot at. what i used to do is put the squad 3" in with one of the weapons carrier on either side outside of the terrain that way i got good field of vission and got a good terrain save and I chose the casuelties tehee it was mean but effective

HiddenPower wrote:butt yeah back on topic. I remember back in the day when the rules for terrain were in effect that guardians were awesome.

back then i took guardians over avengers!
Back then if you were within 3" of area terrain you could not shoot out or be shot at. what i used to do is put the squad 3" in with one of the weapons carrier on either side outside of the terrain that way i got good field of vission and got a good terrain save and I chose the casuelties tehee it was mean but effective

Incredible. Well I don't feel bad about ordering two squad of them. Just kinda stupid probably should of just picked 2 battleforces. Just hate wiating on the box because I want to read the codex to find out each phoenix lord aspect. Curious to what troop/elites/heavy etc is under maugun ra.

that pimp is the dark reapers lord

Personally I love guardians, although I play Ulthwe, so I might be a bit biased.
Stick Eldrad in a unit of ten or twenty, and have a concealed warlock in there, and you've got a great objective capping force, and about 20 more wounds for Eldrad.
They're terrible as the main infantry brunt of your force, although when the catapults get in range, it's terrifyingly effective. The ability to fleet is nice too, and if you give them a missile launcher, you can fire a nice plasma missile every turn, and still be contesting objectives.
I'll repeat this again though, they should never be the core of your force. Ever.