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I want 9x Thunderwolfs in my army but Im not going to purchase 9 Juggernauts! (Doing SW count as Khorne)

Could I use the spawn model as thunderwolves? Would I need a Demon/berzerker riding it? Could I get some fantasy model with a whip and stick one to there bases?

It's your hobby, do what your want. If its a Khorne count as have chaos spawn with a red tinge to it being ridden by a Berserker!

generally these kinds of counts as things can be very triky to be done well... and using spawn instead of juggers makes it seem like it wont work. So I would say don't, especially if you aren't going to have riders, or armor the spawns at all... just my 2 cents.

As long as they're on the same type of base than i think you got free reign

With some green stuff armor and a Berzerker riding it, i think it would look great!

I feel like you should be using models that can at least somewhat accurately represent what you're trying to do for the "counts as" thing. This means if you want Thunderwolf units, then you need some sort of mean looking cav mount for your CSMs to be riding to battle on.

IMO Spawn look slow and painfully unaware, which doesn't really work well for Thundercav representation.

Making it look like cavalry (i.e. something riding on something else) would certainly be preferable. I've never seen a model riding a spawn, but it's not an impossible conversion, spawn can look like almost anything.

Do the juggernaut idea. It makes more sense and you won't have to explain it to people in the long run. Personally, I wouldn't buy spawn as Thunderwolf cavalry.

Sigh...Why don't you just buy the SW models? There are too many counts as armies out there. But if you must, i would just go with the juggernaut. Spawns are just pushing it.

Spawn would look "okay" but juggernauts would look far superior. SW counts as khorne is probably already stretching it for people, and people riding spawn is unprecedented. I don't think that a marine would want to be anywhere near a spawn.

How about Chaos Wolves or those Khornate Daemon Hound Things? Personally, i think they'd be better then the spawn, and eisier too.

Yeah but... A space marine riding a tiny wolf? Ridiculous.

K9 arf arf

Admittedly, thats an awsome picture there...

ph34r wrote:Yeah but... A space marine riding a tiny wolf? Ridiculous.

So ride two.

Sudden vision of a marine riding around standing with one foot on each of two wolves, like a circus performer.

Well, for a chaos army, I guess that would make some sense...

jab4962 wrote:Sigh...Why don't you just buy the SW models? There are too many counts as armies out there. But if you must, i would just go with the juggernaut. Spawns are just pushing it.

There aren't any space wolf TC models.

I want to use Juggers as TWC but lack the money, I mean there £18 Each!

40k is expensive. Juggernauts are awesome. Spawn... not so much. I think that using Spawn as the mount for TWC would look silly. Perhaps either a Daemonic Steed (ie horse) or if you can find a wolf from another range... Though I would just bite the bullet and use Juggernauts because really... those are awesome

Speaking of bases, what size bases are TWC "supposed" to have? Any way of telling from the Canis model?

Lord-Loss wrote:I want 9x Thunderwolfs in my army but Im not going to purchase 9 Juggernauts! (Doing SW count as Khorne)

Could I use the spawn model as thunderwolves? Would I need a Demon/berzerker riding it? Could I get some fantasy model with a whip and stick one to there bases?

I've heard of discussion of spawn being used for bloodcrushers. Thunderwolfs seem like bloodcrushers. Go for it.

What about Chaos Knights Horses for TWC?

I'l mix up some Berzerker and Chaos Knight bits, stick them on a horse put them on a large base and 'Presto!'

There about the same size as TWC, there Calvary and they have riders!

BEST OF ALL THERE CHEAP!

You could do that as a quick fix. Then over time buy the juggernaughts for the real conversion. Thats how I fund mine, just buy over time until Im happy

generally if you are doing counts as or conversion stuff to save on money, you are doing it for the wrong reason and just stop yourself ahead of time...

GeneralX wrote:generally if you are doing counts as or conversion stuff to save on money, you are doing it for the wrong reason and just stop yourself ahead of time...

Thats certainly your opinion. Its you're game. Do what you want.


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Lord-Loss wrote:What about Chaos Knights Horses for TWC?

I'l mix up some Berzerker and Chaos Knight bits, stick them on a horse put them on a large base and 'Presto!'

There about the same size as TWC, there Calvary and they have riders!

BEST OF ALL THERE CHEAP!

Chaos knights make excellent BC standins. Put some back packs on them and maybe a few other bits and you have Chaos power armor as it should look-ornate.
Plus they are plastic so easier to work with on that front.

Gavin Thorne wrote:Speaking of bases, what size bases are TWC "supposed" to have? Any way of telling from the Canis model?

canis uses the 60mm base (the dreadnought base) and so do the bloodcrushers/juggers in 40k (the closest unit comparison) so i'd go with that since GW doesn't officially say. the other thing they screw up is whether you lose your rending with thunderwolves if you upgrade the weapon. according to the thunderwolf description for wargear, you do. unfortunately, canis and the regular TWC (who don't use the wargear entry) don't say that. ugghhh...

anyways... i'd say use the spawn on a 60mm base if the size is similar in height to a juggernought (or canis if you're lucky enough to see one being used). personally, i've NEVER seen a spawn on the tabletop due to the crappy rules so i'm not sure what size they are. can anyone take a pick of a spawn next to a jugg for the comparison? since the base handles the width, the only thing you'd have to be concerned about it to roughly match the height for LOS in order to avoid any accusations of modelling for in game benefit.

Chaos Knights look alot better then spawn and If I give them a khorne berzerker rider (Using the knight legs) then there look great.

generally if you are doing counts as or conversion stuff to save on money, you are doing it for the wrong reason and just stop yourself ahead of time...

I love how you make assumptions. Im having to re-model and buy aload of stuff to make this army work, If I kept on running khorne with the CSM codex, I would have gone mad and quit.

The SW codex has flavour, variaton and makes a awesome WE army!

Gavin Thorne wrote:Speaking of bases, what size bases are TWC "supposed" to have? Any way of telling from the Canis model?

I'm putting mine on 60mm bases and being done with it.

They won't have anything smaller as it will look stupid.

A little defensive guys?

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GeneralX wrote:generally if you are doing counts as or conversion stuff to save on money, you are doing it for the wrong reason and just stop yourself ahead of time...

Thats certainly your opinion. Its you're game. Do what you want.

Obviously its my opinion, and people can do what they want. What's your point? Was this worth emphasizing? In any case there are certain ideals and standards in the hobby, at least with people who regularly go to tournaments and take this game more seriously (maybe too seriously). In my opinion people don't really enjoying playing, or respect a person who shows up with all sorts of crap tacked onto their models that they half put together, or if they bring an entire Rohan army and try to pass it off as Bretonnians. etc.

Certainly with how 40k is now all about TLOS and WSYWYG, your modelling should in fact be more restrained and should reflect what those models are for/are capable of.

In any case, my main point is simply that, most often when people are "converting" or using "counts as" to save money, they generally do a bad job. The motivation seems to be a lack of investment in a way (not wanting to fully fund an army) so the product will be lacking in commitment or some such.

Lord-Loss wrote:

generally if you are doing counts as or conversion stuff to save on money, you are doing it for the wrong reason and just stop yourself ahead of time...

I love how you make assumptions. Im having to re-model and buy a load of stuff to make this army work, If I kept on running khorne with the CSM codex, I would have gone mad and quit.

I was speaking in general terms, and not accusing you in particular. Though I do warn you away from spawn, as people will probably think you were "lazy" in some sense, and it will probably look bad!