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Ok, so the average Space Wolves Great Company has 120 Marines.
Each Blood Claw pack has, on average, 15 marines.
Each Grey Hunters pack has, on average, 10 marine.
I'd guess that there's maybe 10 - 20 Wolf Guard for each company. So we'll try for 100 Marines.


2:4 would mean 30 BloodClaws & 40 Grey Hunters = 70
3:6 would mean 45 BloodClaws & 60 Grey Hunters = 105. Sounds about right.

I hate the idea of 3 squads of Bloodclaws though, I'd like it to be even. But 4:6 doesn't look right, I'd expect more Grey Hunters than BloodClaws by more than 2:3.

Any ideas to throw in? Considering the magic 100 - 120 Marines (minus WolfGuards).

In good lists the ratio will be 0 Blood Claws for every 1 Grey Hunter

Haha, Didn't mean list wise, meant Fluff!
But valid point I spose, though the +2 charge attacks and put in the a land raider theyre awesome!

Moving to 40K Background.

Maybe something like 2:6? 30 Blood Claws and 60 Grey Hunters?

With Wolf Guard, Scouts, Long Fangs, etc making up the other 10-30?

(I don't know a lot about Space Wolves, just throwing stuff out there.)

Wondering where you got the 120 marines per Great Company number? Remember that the SW are closer to legion size, having never been broken into successor chapters and not following Girlyman's codex. According to Lexicanum, speculations of Great Company size range from 150-1000 marines per Great Company.

The new Codex states that Ragnar's company is the second largest at around 200 Wolves (Grimnar's being the biggest, though it doesn't say by how great a margin).
From this, I'd guesstimate (Ie, pull out of my hiney) the average SW GC size at ~150 marines. give or take.

Depends where there Company is at the time. Most SWs die in battle as Blood Claws. If the Company is back at the Fang and re-stocked, I could believe the ratio is approaching 1:1 BC:GH. If it's at the end of a long, bloody campaign, I could believe the ratio is more like 1:10.

In my post specifically about the great company I stated how Logan Grimnars company is the biggest, then Ragnars with the second biggest with 'nearly 200'

Which means Ragnar probably has 190 marines.

I forgot a major thing, and i've realised NO ONE has mentioned this. In passing reference in the codex (forget specifically) and mentioned in the Space Wolf novels it says Blood Claws aren't attached to any company, they simply work under a company until theyre assigned. But I guess we'll all just pretend those 'under' a company belong to it, but then that brings up company markings. Do we believe they go without? or go with generic? or they get it and become full time company members when theyre still blood claws but later on?

I really want to know this to start Logans great company, he has about 250 marines.

I haven't read much of the fiction and I haven't gotten my new Codex yet, but according to the last two codices Blood Claws are part/attached to a Great Company. A Space Wolf first joins his Great Company when he becomes a Blood Claw.

As far as company symbols, make sure that you separate those Wolves from Logan's Great Company (with his personal emblem) from those that are part of the Company of the Great Wolf, e.g. Wolf Priests, Dreadnoughts, etc. (with the Wolf among the Stars emblem, that of Leman Russ).

You've made a common mistake
It says 'When a Wolf Lord becomes the Great Wolf, his Company adopts this symbol.'

Then under his personal symbol it says 'Prior to becoming Great Wolf'

This symbol is, therefore, replaced by the Wolf That Stalks Between Stars.

All you find in the codex though is ragnars company, with the stupid yellow shoulder pad, and if you look alot of the wolves heads are shoddily hand painted on, 1 or 2s the shoulder pads you can buy, and others look like some form of transfer.

Does anyone know where I can get transfers for The Wolf That Stalks Between Stars?

Back on fluff point though, Maybe I'm thinking of Blood Claws before they're actually Blood Claws, ie that weird year long or so training bit where theyre space marines but not 100% officially.

I'm thinking the ratio of Bloodclaws:Grey Hunters in The Company of the Great Wolf is 60:100 which is 4 squads:10 as opposed to my original 4:12 this is because:
100 Grey Hunters
60 Blood Claws
20 Wolf Guard
20 Scouts
20 Devestators
That's 220. Now some of the squads won't have exactly 5, 10 or 15 as casualties aren't replaced. So it may be more like 200/210. Then add in all the wolf priests and rune priests and iron priests and maybe 10 more Wolf Guard for leading squads, and there's your Great Company with 60:100/ 30:50/15:25/3:5 ratio

For others I'd suspect the same, minus ragnars company who probably have more Blood Claws, same goes for more of the agressive companies. Having read SW fluff for years I'm starting to think Grey Hunters arent the back bone of the a Wolf Army in the sense they're the main unit, more like there's not many, they're 1st comapny equivilent in a way of other armies so end up rarer than blood claws.

Tarondor wrote:I forgot a major thing, and i've realised NO ONE has mentioned this. In passing reference in the codex (forget specifically) and mentioned in the Space Wolf novels it says Blood Claws aren't attached to any company, they simply work under a company until theyre assigned.

Since second edition codex, BCs have been members of a Great Company. GW has consistently said that the fluff from the BL books is not as sound or reliable as fluff from the codexes.

Further, iirc, Ragnar was a Blood Claw in Berek Thunderfist's company. When the initiates are trained, prior to having the geneseed implanted, and during the early part of their training, they are not part of a company. But, once they pass the final test (the "dump you into the wild 200 miles from the fang and see if you're tough enough to make it back"), they're formed up into packs and assigned to a Great Company.

Yeah, I gave a sentence to that in my last post
Realised my mistake.

Whats everyones opinion on the ratio though? Atleast for Logans Great Company

Well, I said I don't have the newest codex, so I don't know what they've changed now. My Space Wolves are still grey (not blue) and have the correct pack markings made from geometric symbols and the appropriate colors for the type of pack. I like the original fluff, not the retconned stuff.

Tarondor wrote:Ok, so the average Space Wolves Great Company has 120 Marines.
Each Blood Claw pack has, on average, 15 marines.
Each Grey Hunters pack has, on average, 10 marine.
I'd guess that there's maybe 10 - 20 Wolf Guard for each company. So we'll try for 100 Marines.


2:4 would mean 30 BloodClaws & 40 Grey Hunters = 70
3:6 would mean 45 BloodClaws & 60 Grey Hunters = 105. Sounds about right.

I hate the idea of 3 squads of Bloodclaws though, I'd like it to be even. But 4:6 doesn't look right, I'd expect more Grey Hunters than BloodClaws by more than 2:3.

Any ideas to throw in? Considering the magic 100 - 120 Marines (minus WolfGuards).

The amount of blood claws is so high because of their headstrong nature and the urge to attack everything in sight more of them die then greyhunters. So having more of them makes sense.