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We all know that the Leman Russ Execution with it's five Plasma Cannon shots is a good buy at 250 points. However is a Long Fang team with 5 plasma cannons for 190 points a good choice? With a Razorback for 225 points? With the Razorback you have the same weapons, you can split fire, but can't shoot while moving.

In this situation i would always take long fangs for the split fire. What armies are you facing? For example you can be shooting at 2 tacticals at one time which i love to do.

Personally I'm all over the 5 point Heavy Bolters for Long Fangs...they're the new Dakka pred.

Jack

The only thing about heavy bolter Long Fangs is that SW are already strong at killing infantry. They really need something to pop transports so they can use their strong assaults to kill the contents.

5 Missile launchers seem the most efficient build.
Cheap, long range, high strength for Light/medium AV, powerful enough to punch through power armor, or switch to horde control.

Plasma Cannons do look fierce, but a bit more expensive, overheat is a problem for everyone.

I think a sprinkle would be decent?
3 Missiles and 2 plasma cannons? Split fire of course, whoever long that lasts.

I tend to agree, 5 missiles is the way we're going to see them get played, but 5 plasma blasts split between things could be deadly. Also with split fire you can use 2 or 3 to pop a transport and then the rest to kill what pops out while it's still clustered up.

Sort of like the missile/plasma, why not 2 Lascannon 3 Plasma if you have the points. Crack a transport, kill it's payload sort of deal.

Sanctjud wrote:5 Missile launchers seem the most efficient build.
Cheap, long range, high strength for Light/medium AV, powerful enough to punch through power armor, or switch to horde control.

Plasma Cannons do look fierce, but a bit more expensive, overheat is a problem for everyone.

I think a sprinkle would be decent?
3 Missiles and 2 plasma cannons? Split fire of course, whoever long that lasts.

Add a plasma gun on the battle leader and a WG Terminator w/ cyclone and that's about the best shooting a marine unit is ever gonna manage...

Norade wrote:Sort of like the missile/plasma, why not 2 Lascannon 3 Plasma if you have the points. Crack a transport, kill it's payload sort of deal.

I don't think that would work, as even though it can split fire the whole unit still has to resolve its fire all at once.

Jack

@Jackmojo:
First Point: A battle leader shooting = not split fire...so it's not all pros.
Second Point: Agreed with you.

Sanctjud wrote:@Jackmojo:
First Point: A battle leader shooting = not split fire...so it's not all pros.
Second Point: Agreed with you.

I'm thinking once they're close enough for the plasmagun to come into play, you don't want them getting any closer, hence some focused fire.

I'm also more impressed with their nice cheap guns then with the splitting fire ability, as it strikes me as situational, Its not as if 5 heavy weapons is really all that much overkill against most of the threatening units in the game.

Jack

Long fangs are very good for their points in the new dex, I am considering 2 units of them, one unit as 5 missile launchers and one unit with 3 las 2 plas

I will also be running Logan Grimnar with one of the squads for relentless/tankhunting awesomeness.

consider also running 5 multimeltas in a drop pod with Logan, Relentless droppodding tank-death.

Demogerg wrote:
consider also running 5 multimeltas in a drop pod with Logan, Relentless droppodding tank-death.

Works so awesomely and fills the big old gap that you find when you try and drop just infantry in a full pod assault.

Yeah, Logan joining a squad of drop podding Long Fangs is a very attractive option. Relentless heavy weapons ftw!

Back on topic - plasma cannons are fabulous for anti-MEq and light/medium vehicle shooting, but of course are useless against AV14. So an all-plasma squad would be great, but I'd suggest you'll need another squad with lascannon or multimeltas too. The all-missile launcher squad does seem the most cost-effective all-rounder option, thanks to the nice cheap missile launchers.

You guys seem to be right, if you can't see the units inside to target them until after the shooting starts, you can't have your squad split fire to them. That makes it a better option to go with a unit of 5 Lascannons, paired with teams of 3 missiles, 2 plasma. Lascannons pop transports, frags and plasma finish them off.

Run 5 with multi meltas in a drop pod with logan grimnar. Relentless split fire to ruin anyones day.

Didnt see this was already posted. Man i thought i was being clever.

Wow mate! 5 relentless MM with split fire?!?! In a drop pod!!

I don't usually agree with all those people who moan about the latest power build, - but that is SOO BROKEN!

Makes my combi-melta podding sternguard seem pretty lame

Kapitan Montag wrote:Wow mate! 5 relentless MM with split fire?!?! In a drop pod!!

I don't usually agree with all those people who moan about the latest power build, - but that is SOO BROKEN!

Makes my combi-melta podding sternguard seem pretty lame

I think the best part about that build is that then you have a Close-combat monster right in the enemies lines. any CC-oriented army will want to assault you, and although Logan will end up dead he is sure to drop more than a couple of enemies with him.

consider logans pod smashing onto a Gazghkull wagon, killing the wagon on the top of turn 1, then getting hit with an assault on the bottom of turn 1, elect to use powerfist insted of frostblade and on average kill gazzy! (and get killed in return, but then what happens to the rest of his army, roflcopter)

or if its the top of turn 2 when the orks charge, and they hit you with a Waaagh, then you have blown their waaggh before it can be put to best use! Ha!