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Hi.
I have assembled a 1500 Chaos list, but since I`m a newbie, I just wondered if you could have a look and see what you think?


HQ
Daemon Prince 110
Wings 20
Warptime 25
sum 155

Daemon Prince 110
Wings 20
Warptime 25
sum 155

Elite
Terminators
5x30 150
Powerfist 10
Chainfist 15
combi melta 5
heavy flamer 5
sum 185

Troop
Chaos Space Marines
10x15 150
1xmelta 10
Aspiring champion 15
Powerfist 25
Rhino 35
1xflamer 5
Personal Icon 5
sum 245

Khorne Berzerkers
9x 21 189
Skull Champion 15
Powerfist 25
Personal icon 5
Melta bombs 5
Rhino 35
sum 274

Plague Marines
7x23 161
2 x Plasma gun 30
Personal Icon 5
sum 196

Lesser Daemons
5x13 65
sum 65

1500

I would give your terminators combi-flamers instead of melta. That way you can deepstrike in and lay down a lot of templates.

Also, you are really light on anti-tank.

Daemon Princes are ok. A bit of fat on them though at 1500.

Termies: how will you deliver them? If deepstrike, keep it to only one chainfist and load up on as many combi’s as you can.

CSM: I would suggest to get a matched pair of weapons instead of mixing. If you had to mix, I’d say: 2 Meltas and a Combi-Flamer on the champion.
CSM don’t get personal Icons, they get the Icons of the Gods.

Zerkers: look ok.

Plague marines look ok.

Lesser daemons: a waste of time/resources at a 5 man squad. Easy kill point, can’t do any of their jobs effectively at a small squad size.

Only 2 rhino’s can be a problem as well, and the lack of heavier ranged weapons can such vs. faster armies.

@extrenm(54):
I would suggest combi-melta or plasma on the termies.

Icons will NOT always be were they need to be, DSing close to infantry is a bad idea… and you can only lay down a limited number of templates cause you must be in circle formation and can’t hit your own guys.

No, no, stay with the anti-tank role, as the rest of the list can handle infantry well enough, IMO.

I don't think you need two daemon princes in a 1,500 list.

I would add more combi weapons onto the chaos terminators.

Chaos Marines cannot have a personal icon, I presume you mean a chaos icon, if so which one?

Need more daemons.

Only two transports? Easy picking for armies geared up to take on mech.

I would drop a prince, beef up the terminators, get another unit of chaos marines in a rhino, drop the daemons and get some heavy support in. You need more models as for 1,500 this list isn't a lot.

How about:

1 x Daemon Prince w/ warptime & wings

5 x Chaos Terminators w/ mark of tzeentch, 3 x combi weapons, 1 x chain fist & 1 x heavy flamer

10 x Chaos Marines w/ Rhino 2 x meltaguns - champ w/ power fist

10 x Chaos Marines w/ Rhino, 2 x plasma pistols, mark of khorne - champ w/ power weapon & meltabombs

10 x Lesser Daemons

10 x Chaos Marines w/ Rhino 2 x meltaguns

1 x Chaos Vindicator - daemonic possession

1 x Chaos Vindicator - daemonic possession

1 x Predator - Heavy bolters & autocannon

I haven't added up points, but check that out.

Thanks for the imput

mercer
Looks like a fun list. Need one more vindi to run it, but will try it

Sanctjud

CSM: I would suggest to get a matched pair of weapons instead of mixing. If you had to mix, I’d say: 2 Meltas and a Combi-Flamer on the champion.

I usually run 2 x melta, just wanted to try a mix since I several times have wished I had a flamer

CSM don’t get personal Icons, they get the Icons of the Gods.

Icon of Chaos Glory, I messed up

extrenm(54)
I considered a combi flamer on the last regular Terminator, but did not have the points.

Best regards
Robin

I do like the idea of triple vindicator, but I have been sold on predators lately. Oh, I missed your daemons off, but you really need two units and I doubt you'll fit two in.

mercer wrote:I do like the idea of triple vindicator, but I have been sold on predators lately. Oh, I missed your daemons off, but you really need two units and I doubt you'll fit two in.

I think your previos list was about 1485 points or so, so not that many points to spare.

Ah close then, I didn't even add that up! lol. In that case I would drop the predator and you will get twos units of daemons in the list. Two units are much better than one.

I think for 1,500 points that is a strong list.

Give the Daemon Prince Mark of Slannesh so he can use lash of submission. What you need to do is lash an enemy squad into a tight circle and then vindicator shell it. This will end in that squad being decimated. Also drop the plague marines and the korn marines because they are supper expensive. Add in one more squad of Chaos Space Marines with a rhino. Also give all of your squads mark of slannesh so they attack first against space marines at initiative 5

@Mekboy490
Plague marines are actually undercosted for what you get...

CSM squads get icons of slaanesh, in addition there are other armies that don't have an MEQ statline.

Lash is really a flavor pychich power, some like it, others don't. In addition it depends on the local meta...it's not great for a specific type of gaming group.

Quite honestly I didn't like using MoS...

Plague Marines to me are way too expensive to field in a 1500 point game and are looking to distract multiple units.

Terminators w/ MoT come in handy on the odd occasion as I've found with my last few games - as does MoT on the Daemon Princes (and yes, two is a good choice). Although, I may just be one of those annoying players that likes to have an invuln. save on everything just in case (having MoT on my Daemon Princes kept them alive a lot longer).

You seriously need some anti-tank or anti-heavy options - Predators with TL Lascannon upgrade and lascannon sponsons do this very nicely with their S9 AP2 shots (Got rid of a Full unit of Tau Broadsides in two turns). A vindicator works nice for crowd control and strips down the numbers in enemy troops to reduce Rapid-Fire spam on your Princes. Obliterators seem useful on first glance and probably are - I don't know - mine haven't gotten into combat early enough to say.

Overall the list is expensive and gives your opponent too few things to focus on.

In my last game against Tau for 1500, the Predator came in use from Turn 1 and I swear to take one every time I play a 1500 point game now.

I recommend this:

HQ

DP - 175
+Wings
+Warp Time
+MoT

DP - 175
+Wings
+Warp Time
+MoT

All Troops IMO should be CSM x 8 with a melta, champion and Powerfist

Vindicator is optional but useful

Predator is incredible at sniping units.

Termies w/ chainfists and combi-meltas do wonders (Though I've only used them in two games where they got into combat)

I understand that you may have to play with what you have and not go out and buy tanks - money doesn't just grow on trees

Anyway, that was my opinion. If you want to see how CSM can fare against Tau 1500, I have a battle report somewhere in the Battle Report section.

Good luck on your game

I don't know why anyone would ever say you don't need two daemon princes at 1500. If anything, I'd throw the greater in there too for target saturation since you are light on vehicles anyway.

And Plague Marines are exactly costed if you crunch all the numbers, it's just that their benefits tend to come into play constantly, so same difference really.

@Cannerus_The_Unbearable:
I agree that 2 DP's fit in most points values...but I personally don't like the Greater daemon.

Plague marines have lower numbers but are good for what you get in return if you want them similarly priced to the 10 man CSM squads.

@SDasher:
Tri-las pres are overpriced and suffer a bit with 5 th ed.

All Troops IMO should be CSM x 8 with a melta, champion and Powerfist

I’ve never heard anyone suggesting a non 10 man squad, it’s like shooting yourself in the foot…IMO.

I think mercers idea was pretty good...and predators are pretty awesome, so take one..and I agree about the 8-man csm squad....you wont be able to take any bonus heavy weapon, and you're making it easier for the enemy to claim kill points. Gl with the list.

Thanks again for the answers
I already have a couple of Predators with magnetized sponsons and main guns,so I can try one and see how it works.
The Plague marines have saved me in almost all my games I think. Yesterday I placed them in cover and my opponent tried to kill them with a couple of basilisk shots before he gave up They work as my last defence/ objective holders and are doing an excellent job.

The Berzerkers are handy against most troops, but I really have a problem with getting them across the board. People that have faced them before tend to fear them in CC

Usually I end my games without having disembarked my csm, or they die as soon as I do it due to heavy resistance.

I really like the choices between Plasma canon and Las canon on my obliterators, after each game I just want to add more oblits.


Best regards
Robin

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I don't know why anyone would ever say you don't need two daemon princes at 1500. If anything, I'd throw the greater in there too for target saturation since you are light on vehicles anyway.

And Plague Marines are exactly costed if you crunch all the numbers, it's just that their benefits tend to come into play constantly, so same difference really.

My point is about point cost, which I tried to explain in your thread. My entire point is that your spending around 400 points on 3 HQ units in a medium size list. Do you want 3 models swallowing up nearly 1/3 of your points? . I'm not disputing how good the units are, or that that compliment each other. Though, you do seem obssessed with having 3 HQ's all the time

Meh.

2 Daemon Princes with wings.
Done.

260 is not much to pay for what you get.
I think the problem is when people start blinging them out.
But DP loadouts depend on usage, though I think the Greater Daemon is excessive at that point.

No, 260 isn't. I just don't think the list needs it. Two D.P's plus a G.D is excessive however.

No, 260 isn't.

/shrug.
More likely depends on what else is in the list and what you plan to use them for.
I never leave home without 2 Daemon Princes.

Then again I don't play anything under 1675 with my chaos...

I have 2 D.P's, but in my 2k list

Looks like both are points are made, your saying take two princes, but as you said you don't play anything less than 1650. I play larger games, and take 2 HQ's, but in a smaller game of 1,500 points its really not needed. So, in a way, your point stands about taking 2 HQ's, but your talking from a higher points list experience. 1650 would buy a prince and still have 1,500 left.

/shrug.

I don't play at 1500, doesn't mean 2 Dp's don't work.

My 1500 that I don't use is just my 1850 shrunken down.

Dp, wings
Dp, wings
7 Plague marines, Fist, 2 Meltas, Rhino.
7 Plague marines, Fist, 2 Meltas, Rhino.
7 Plague marines, Fist, 2 flamers, Rhino.
3 Oblits.
3 Oblits.

32 points remaining for 1500. It prob. works the same as the 1850 one.
Just don't bling out the Dp's if you can.

I only ever take two. Taking just one gives the enemy just one to shoot at. I take two, fire gets split and they usually both find a tank/soft unit with a wound or two on them. I take one and he's the best target I have. Sadly, don't think about them as generals. I've always found it depressing that I have to use my DP's as expendable cruise missiles. They can't support or truly "add" to your force. They're like missiles with claws. And they do an amazing job of it. At least my nurgle/warptime DP's do.