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So in the current 5th edition most people around here dont play that the chapter master force weapon doesnt outright kill ANY characters if it applies? Do you follow the DH Codex when applying his force weapon or the rulebooks rules?

your double negative is confusing me... most people don't play that the weapon doesn't outright kill, so they play that it does?

Either way, you follow the codex because it provides it's own special rules rather than referring you to the rulebook.

The nemesis force weapon on a grand master is a force weapon, you use the force weapon rules from the 5th edition rulebook.

Nowhere in the demon hunters codex does it ever detail how a force weapon works.

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Kommissar Kel wrote:The nemesis force weapon on a grand master is a force weapon, you use the force weapon rules from the 5th edition rulebook.

Nowhere in the demon hunters codex does it ever detail how a force weapon works.

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Sorry, but that's incorrect. The DH Codex has an entry for Forceweapons, saying the offending model is "slain outright".

Kommissar Kel wrote:The nemesis force weapon on a grand master is a force weapon, you use the force weapon rules from the 5th edition rulebook.

Nowhere in the demon hunters codex does it ever detail how a force weapon works.

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I can only assume you have never, ever read the DH codex then?

Only way to explain you being SO wrong.

DH force weapons follow the rules in their codex, i.e. they Slay outright. No Instant Death, so you bypass Synapse, Eternal Warrior etc.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:The nemesis force weapon on a grand master is a force weapon, you use the force weapon rules from the 5th edition rulebook.

Nowhere in the demon hunters codex does it ever detail how a force weapon works.

(edited for spelling and punctuation)

I can only assume you have never, ever read the DH codex then?

Only way to explain you being SO wrong.

DH force weapons follow the rules in their codex, i.e. they Slay outright. No Instant Death, so you bypass Synapse, Eternal Warrior etc.

nosferatu1001 is, as ever, correct.

Kommissar Kel wrote:TNowhere in the demon hunters codex does it ever detail how a force weapon works.

Page 17, on the letter F in the armory.

It definitely does state how Force weapons cause a model to be slain outright - which is not the same as instant death. Everyone listed here before me is correct. Also, Brother Captain Stern's NFW works the same as a Grandmaster's and thus causes the same thing to happen.

Slain outright causers:
Grand Master NFW
Brother Captain Stern NFW
DH Force Weapons in general
WH Force Weapons (I think)

Simliar to how the SW Jaws of the Wolf and Lukas just insta kill people.

oh so they do slain outright? sorry for the confusion but i was wondering how the majority of the community plays

pjmcgrath07 wrote:oh so they do slain outright? sorry for the confusion but i was wondering how the majority of the community plays

By the rules.

pjmcgrath07 wrote:oh so they do slain outright? sorry for the confusion but i was wondering how the majority of the community plays

By the rules...

Sadly, GW seems to work thus:
-Insta-kill becomes a problem for Special Characters
---so---
-the make the Eternal Warrior USR
---so---
then Codex Creep comes along
---so---
they create characters who can ignore Eternal Warrior


And as a fun side note: old codexes that haven't been updated since 3rd Edition in some cases, will still have models that can ignore Eternal Warrior.
Part of why I am a huge believer that all codexes should have been updated before a new edition of 40k is put out...

But that would mean someone would have to actually acknowledge the Dark Eldar. Can't have that.