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So, we have bob ... none of the wolf guard like bob he's a bit of #%$££. Every game bob takes terminator armour, an Assault cannon and a Cyclone missile launcher launcher. Then with out another word leaves to join his friends in the Long Fangs Pack.

Question
A) can he take both weapons?
and if he can
B) can he split fire with the long fangs?
Also ... (should be in tactics I know but)
C) what do you think about giving him a storm shield and the mark of Wulfen?

A) can he take both weapons?

You mean take a CML and an Asscan? I think yes actually, so long as the WG pack is 10 strong. It says "one wolf guard may take", it does not prevent you from taking two, though of course if you take an Asscan you no longer have a Storm Bolter to swap for a Heavy Flamer.

B) can he split fire with the long fangs?

Sure, but he cant fire both in one turn. You can only fire the Storm Bolter and CML together. He is still limited to 1 weapon a turn as per the rulebook otherwise.

C) what do you think about giving him a storm shield and the mark of Wulfen?

MotW is a waste, I use a CML and Stormshield for my Long Fang WG.

Gwar! wrote:

B) can he split fire with the long fangs?

Sure, but he cant fire both in one turn. You can only fire the Storm Bolter and CML together.

Ah fethering hell teaches me to ask with a new codex (rule 1001 "all though war-gear my share the same name that does not guarantee that it works the same" ) skimmed through, I'm used to it being " in addition". Well then Heavy flamer might prove more useful combo ... more reading need any way.

The CML is in addition. The Asscan and HF replace the Storm Bolter

So you can have a Terminator with:
CML, Storm Bolter and PW
CML, Asscan and PW
CML, HF and PW

but you CANNOT have the Asscan and HF

Na get that Gwar (CML &Heavy flamer ... Fires always good for when they get too close.) I talking about older codex where the CML fired in addition what ever the bearers fired... It's always the little things that get missed when I'm reading the newer versions of a codex.

Tri wrote:Na get that Gwar (CML &Heavy flamer ... Fires always good for when they get too close.) I talking about older codex where the CML fired in addition what ever the bearers fired... It's always the little things that get missed when I'm reading the newer versions of a codex.

Ah, I see. Yeah, they changed it so only a Storm Bolter could dual fire. I am guessing because Drop Podding a Pack of 5 WGT in a Drop Pod which then fires 4 Krak Missiles and 2 (combi)Meltaguns might be a LITTLE unfair

Tri wrote:I talking about older codex where the CML fired in addition what ever the bearers fired...

For what it's worth, the Cyclone hasn't allowed you to also fire anything else other than a Storm Bolter since 2nd edition.

True, but that was also the last time anyone actually used Wolf Guard Terminators

Gwar! wrote:

Tri wrote:Na get that Gwar (CML &Heavy flamer ... Fires always good for when they get too close.) I talking about older codex where the CML fired in addition what ever the bearers fired... It's always the little things that get missed when I'm reading the newer versions of a codex.

Ah, I see. Yeah, they changed it so only a Storm Bolter could dual fire. I am guessing because Drop Podding a Pack of 5 WGT in a Drop Pod which then fires 4 Krak Missiles and 2 (combi)Meltaguns might be a LITTLE unfair

oh boo who ... They breezed over the base price of the Wolfs HQ. Ok you can take 4 ... but who can afford to? cheapest one is 70pts ... before upgrades. That said Lone Wolfs are the only reverse KP and a laugh "KILL ME, DAM IT!" ... When i get this army off the ground I'm taking as many as I've got points and room for....

Tri wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Tri wrote:Na get that Gwar (CML &Heavy flamer ... Fires always good for when they get too close.) I talking about older codex where the CML fired in addition what ever the bearers fired... It's always the little things that get missed when I'm reading the newer versions of a codex.

Ah, I see. Yeah, they changed it so only a Storm Bolter could dual fire. I am guessing because Drop Podding a Pack of 5 WGT in a Drop Pod which then fires 4 Krak Missiles and 2 (combi)Meltaguns might be a LITTLE unfair

oh boo who ... They breezed over the base price of the Wolfs HQ. Ok you can take 4 ... but who can afford to? cheapest one is 70pts ... before upgrades. That said Lone Wolfs are the only reverse KP and a laugh "KILL ME, DAM IT!" ... When i get this army off the ground I'm taking as many as I've got points and room for....

Personally, I am going to try out the 2 Unit 1500 List for a laugh.

Logan
Ragnar
10 Wolf Guard
8 With Frost Blades
2 with Terminator Armour, CML and FRost Blades
LRC with EA

1,230 Points iirc. Throw in a Squad of GH and you are sorted. Oh, and that squad above can throw out up to Fifteen S6 I6 attacks and fifty eight S6 I5 attacks on the Charge, and have Preferred Enemy

Gwar! wrote:

Tri wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Tri wrote:Na get that Gwar (CML &Heavy flamer ... Fires always good for when they get too close.) I talking about older codex where the CML fired in addition what ever the bearers fired... It's always the little things that get missed when I'm reading the newer versions of a codex.

Ah, I see. Yeah, they changed it so only a Storm Bolter could dual fire. I am guessing because Drop Podding a Pack of 5 WGT in a Drop Pod which then fires 4 Krak Missiles and 2 (combi)Meltaguns might be a LITTLE unfair

oh boo who ... They breezed over the base price of the Wolfs HQ. Ok you can take 4 ... but who can afford to? cheapest one is 70pts ... before upgrades. That said Lone Wolfs are the only reverse KP and a laugh "KILL ME, DAM IT!" ... When i get this army off the ground I'm taking as many as I've got points and room for....

Personally, I am going to try out the 2 Unit 1500 List for a laugh.

Logan
Ragnar
10 Wolf Guard
8 With Frost Blades
2 with Terminator Armour, CML and FRost Blades
LRC with EA

1,230 Points iirc. Throw in a Squad of GH and you are sorted. Oh, and that squad above can throw out up to Fifteen S6 I6 attacks and fifty eight S6 I5 attacks on the Charge, and have Preferred Enemy

sounds good. Then also take 3 lone wolves with wolves ... Total of 120pts but it gives you 3 extra units to be speed bumps.

Gwar! wrote:

A) can he take both weapons?

You mean take a CML and an Asscan? I think yes actually, so long as the WG pack is 10 strong. It says "one wolf guard may take", it does not prevent you from taking two, though of course if you take an Asscan you no longer have a Storm Bolter to swap for a Heavy Flamer.

Looking at the dex, it does say "one wolf guard model in terminator armor may take one of the following..." This seems like you can only take one of the listed weapons on one model. course i don't know whay you would want such an expensive, and IMHO funny looking model.

Gwar! wrote:True, but that was also the last time anyone actually used Wolf Guard Terminators

Actually, the WGDS unit was pretty viable with the oldminidex and the new Marine dex, what with 5pt stormshields, and 5 -man squads with 3 cyclone launchers. Throw in a few runic charms and a wolf priest with healing potions and pretty much nothing can touch this squad.

Not that it has any bearing on the new 'Dex.

airmang wrote:Looking at the dex, it does say "one wolf guard model in terminator armor may take one of the following..." This seems like you can only take one of the listed weapons on one model. course i don't know whay you would want such an expensive, and IMHO funny looking model.

It says "one wolf guard may take" it does not say "one wolf guard may take one of the following".

For every 5 models, a wolf guard can take a heavy weapon, so yeah, a single wolf guard can take 2 heavy weapons, it's just not effective in the slightest.

Gwar! wrote:

airmang wrote:Looking at the dex, it does say "one wolf guard model in terminator armor may take one of the following..." This seems like you can only take one of the listed weapons on one model. course i don't know whay you would want such an expensive, and IMHO funny looking model.

It says "one wolf guard may take" it does not say "one wolf guard may take one of the following".

For every 5 models, a wolf guard can take a heavy weapon, so yeah, a single wolf guard can take 2 heavy weapons, it's just not effective in the slightest.

Well as i said no one likes bob ... also 10pts to also take a heavy flamer isn't too bad.

Bob sounds like a real jerk.

But, since you could take 20 WG in TDA with CML and AC, I'm sure they left it in just as an homage to that.

I'd say go for it. And hope you don't brick your first save. Bob's a lot of points.

Been there. Bricked that... Damn Ravagers...