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Which Armies Do You Think Fire Into Their Own Ranks on a Regular Basis?
Tyranids
Eldar
Dark Eldar
Space Marines (majority of the Chapters)
Imperial Guard
Witch Hunters
Tau
Orks
Necrons
Chaos Guard (LaTD)
Chaos Daemons
Daemonhunters
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I chose Orks because they're kinda not known for thinking to tactically on a mob like basis so i would asume they really wouldn't care. I chose Tau because they seem to have amazing accuracy and that if someone gets into close combat with them they panic because they know they're screwed. And i also chose chaos marines because they're pretty evil and may not care.

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Umm, a common (and viable) Imperial Guard strategy (in lore) is to send wave after wave of guardsmen to give plenty of time for artillery barrages to crush the enemy (and any poor servant of the Emperor who dies for him).

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Eldar? No way in my book, they preserve 1 single life at the cost of a billion human lives. Yeah.

All evil armies or the Imperial Guard (who just do it because they can) I could imagine do this kinda thing.

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I chose only Imperial Guard.

While it is evil for Chaos Space Marines to kill their own, I do not think that is in their Ethos. Remembering they were once the same as Imperial Space Marines and would most likely still share the same comradery amongst themselves.

While I would not doubt Orks might do it on occasion, I feel it is more likely they wouldn't want to miss out on a good face bashing than they are to shoot their buds in the back! But I could be giving them more than they are ought to think.

As for Tau. I do not think it would be in their ethos either, and their BS is not that great (BS3), so plenty of their own would get rounds pumped in their backs. "Is this what the Greater Good wants of us?" While it might benefit them, their idea of one-ship might prevent them from intentionally killing each other by proxy.

I would also ask that Chaos Space Marines and Chaos/Traitor Guard be seperated, as they are completely different and Traitor Guard is actually the Imperial Guard, just evil/not for the Emperor.


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I am posting this from another thread with some modifications. It is generally how I feel, logically, on this matter.

...I can only think of Orks being possibly willing to do this [other than the Imperial Guard], and even with them it is questionable. All the others consider their brothers and sisters and "it's" in arms as having some sort of value; Space Marines, Eldar, Necrons, Dark Eldar (maybe, can't really tell to be honest, there is scant fluff on the matter), Tau (especially Tau!), Sisters, Inquisitors, Demon Hunters.... So we're left with Orks and Tyranids.

Tyranids LIVE for close combat [and are generally not very creative, like Necrons]! It is pretty much their one purpose in being; to [close] with the enemy, and [eat] them. For Orks; they love getting in face-to-face and bashing their opponents to a mushy pulp! So I would think when they see other Orks fighting hand-to-hand, they would be more likely to drop what else they are doing and charge in as well. Lest they be shown up as cowards or miss a good fight!

Space Marines wouldn't do it except for extremely specific situations (can't really think of any) and would more likely go in to save their buds! Eldar, dying race and all, would probably want to save their dwindling population rather than mow them down (again, specific situations excluded). I don't think Necrons would, they aren't that creative in general. Dark Eldar, they might, they might not, though I would think they are more interested in capturing victims than blasting away their own guys. Now Tau, they love each other too much to shoot a compadre in the back! That wouldn't sit well with them and their "Greater Good" philosophy. Sisters follow the same general reason Marines do. Same thing for Inquisitors and Demon Hunters. As for Demons and Chaos, Demons have few firing weapons and have a love for close combat like the Orks, so not really worth it for them, and Chaos are on the same page as the Eldar, there is a finite number of Chaos Space Marines, in general. Plus I don't think the Chaos Gods would want their powers wasted as such. Or maybe they would delight in it? It is 50-50 on that one, probably.

Which finally brings us to the Imperial Guard. Well, it is well established in the fluff that Imperial commanders are willing to blow away a lot of their own to kill some of the enemy. Heck, the current codex has one such commander as a Platoon Officer! Chenkov, or whats-it! So of course there would be commanders willing to massacre their own guys when it looks dismal for them! They are willing to let a whole battalion be wiped out so a General can get his favorite tea cup back! Why WOULDN'T they shoot into an assault containing their own guys who are more likely (well, maybe a 10% chance) to be killed anyway?

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Skinnattittar wrote:
I would also ask that Chaos Space Marines and Chaos/Traitor Guard be seperated, as they are completely different and Traitor Guard is actually the Imperial Guard, just evil/not for the Emperor.


This is not true. LaTD are a VERY different fluff and game list, from the IG.

I'll separate them, though it may skew the results! I am referring to a LaTD list, even though it no longer is in existence.

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Che-Vito wrote:
Skinnattittar wrote:
I would also ask that Chaos Space Marines and Chaos/Traitor Guard be seperated, as they are completely different and Traitor Guard is actually the Imperial Guard, just evil/not for the Emperor.
This is not true. I'll separate them, though it may skew the results! I am referring to a LaTD list, even though it no longer is in existence.
Considering how long ago LaTD went defunct, it can be left unconsidered. Traitor Guard and Chaos Space Marines are very different. Just seeing how the intro is worded, and the usual logic used on Dakka Dakka, I already know the results are going to have a certain skew.

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Che-Vito wrote:
Skinnattittar wrote:
Che-Vito wrote:
Skinnattittar wrote:
I would also ask that Chaos Space Marines and Chaos/Traitor Guard be seperated, as they are completely different and Traitor Guard is actually the Imperial Guard, just evil/not for the Emperor.
This is not true. I'll separate them, though it may skew the results! I am referring to a LaTD list, even though it no longer is in existence.
Considering how long ago LaTD went defunct, it can be left unconsidered. Traitor Guard and Chaos Space Marines are very different. Just seeing how the intro is worded, and the usual logic used on Dakka Dakka, I already know the results are going to have a certain skew.


The skew of course, is expected. You yourself have come to the thread, hellbent on proving that IG are the only ones who would commonly do this.

*That* good sir, is skewed.
Of course! But I also come armed with LOGIC!

Which removes my skew

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Imperial Guard do this, as would Orks, same with LatD and perhaps Chaos Space Marines, but it depends on the kind of Chaos Marines. Khornate wouldn't mind it, for example.

Why the IG can't fire into combat is beyond me.

   
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Csm are known for backstapping and I know kharn the betrayer wouldn't mind shooting into combat.
If he ever crewed a gun.
IIRC Dark Eldar are murderously competitive.

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Tyranids would do so if it's more efficient, but it probably wouldn't be too common on account of simply not having that much excess shooting power.

I don't think Dark Eldar would. Backstabbing is one thing, but gunning down another squad would almost certainly not be allowed by the Archon. That's way too much divisiveness for him to allow (unless, maybe, it was him doing it himself).

Imperial Guard would, because they aren't very good at close combat, and Imperial Guardsmen are relatively abundant. They also have a lot of powerful weaponry they need to find a use for.

Orks would, but probably not as part of any over-arching strategy. It would be more of a general disregard for friendly casualties. If it's grots in combat, of course, then they'll probably shoot into combat and try and take a grots out as they do.

The Lost and the Damned would probably be similar to regular IG, only they're probably being led by commanders who are just as callous at best, and illogically hateful towards their servants at worst.

Chaos Space Marines by themselves, though, probably not. They are pretty closely knit in most legions. Perhaps the Death Guard would do so on account of simply being able to shrug off wounds so easily; World Eaters might, if they actually decide to use ranged weapons; Alpha Legion might if it's necessary for a greater plan, Word Bearers might if one of their crazy leaders orders them to.

Chaos Daemons might, but they don't have much in terms of ranged weaponry.

The Necrons I actually can see firing into combat, simply because they're good shots, and they have a lot more survivability than marines. However, I don't think they would do it massive volleys, or really act in a manner liable to take many of their own warriors out.

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IG would, and Chaos IG would of course. But I'm hearing people saying that CSM wouldnt? Kharn the Betrayer killing everyone? Abaddon firing on his own ships. Chaos totally would do it

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I can see a Dark Eldar Archon ordering fire upon his own troops simply to speed things up or kill a competitor.

Guard, obviously, don't value human life much...

Orks would shoot one another in the back simply to get them out the way; so the shooter can get to the fighting

CSM could go into a bloodlust or something similar and simply be oblivious....

Traitor Guard obviously would.

   
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Orks probably, firing into Grot lines.

Ironically, in the game the ones who should be doing it the least (Eldar) are one of the only ones that can (Vibrocannon) IIRC.

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