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This picture got me thinking, it’s of a ork nob on page 88 of the ork codex, it shows a ork nob with a power klaw and what appears to be a big shoota & big shoota back pack.
Under the troop section of the codex I find the following.
Options:
For every ten Orks in the mob, one Ork may exchange his slugga or shoota for:
Big shoota…….+ pts cost.
Rokkit launcha….. + pts cost.
Then below this section,
Character:
One boy may be upgraded to a Nob……+ pts cost
He may replace his choppa with one of the following:
Big choppa…..+pts cost
Power klaw……+ pts cost
Now then lets say I take a ten model ork boy unit armed with Slugga & Choppa
And for simplistic sake I’m naming one ork “gorguts”
Now I use the options and exchange his slugga for a big shoota,
Then decide to “upgrade” One boy, again I’ll chose “gorguts” and make him a nob and give him a power klaw.
So I have a unit of 10 models, 9 are boys with slugga choppa And one nob with big shoota and power klaw.
I used to think this couldn’t be done because you lose the weapons when upgrading, but have found no evidence to support this, can anybody ?

I don't actually have the codex, but based on what I've seen, you can.

Ironklawmadgutsmek wrote:I used to think this couldn’t be done because you lose the weapons when upgrading, but have found no evidence to support this, can anybody ?

That was in the last edition.

Now, you can upgrade to a Nob, Trade the Choppa for a Klaw, then trade the Slugga for a Big Shoota, because it says "any ork" not "any boy".

The ork faq says:
"Q. If a Boyz mob exchange sluggas and choppas
with shootas, can a Nob take a power klaw or a
big choppa?
A. You may upgrade the Nob to have a big
choppa or power klaw before you choose to
upgrade the mob to have shootas, in which case
the Nob is not affected by the mob’s weapon
swap (as he no longer has a choppa to swap),
does not receive a shoota and keeps his slugga
and power klaw/big choppa instead. He is a lot
happier that way!"

Seems to imply that you choose the order of operations there, and that changes made to a boy carry over to the nob. Don't see anything that says you can't, either.

Gorkamorka wrote:The ork faq says:
"Q. If a Boyz mob exchange sluggas and choppas
with shootas, can a Nob take a power klaw or a
big choppa?
A. You may upgrade the Nob to have a big
choppa or power klaw before you choose to
upgrade the mob to have shootas, in which case
the Nob is not affected by the mob’s weapon
swap (as he no longer has a choppa to swap),
does not receive a shoota and keeps his slugga
and power klaw/big choppa instead. He is a lot
happier that way!"

Seems to imply that you choose the order of operations there, and that changes made to a boy carry over to the nob. Don't see anything that says you can't, either.

yes i read this and have noted the "you may " and "before you choose to upgrade the mob".


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Gwar! wrote:

Ironklawmadgutsmek wrote:I used to think this couldn’t be done because you lose the weapons when upgrading, but have found no evidence to support this, can anybody ?

That was in the last edition.

Now, you can upgrade to a Nob, Trade the Choppa for a Klaw, then trade the Slugga for a Big Shoota, because it says "any ork" not "any boy".

I think you've hit the nail on the head with this, i didn't notice the wording, which dose make for a stronger case. Or through my brother still keeps saying "it's to good to be true"
thanks Gwar,

Ironklawmadgutsmek wrote: Or through my brother still keeps saying "it's to good to be true"

If it makes a difference, he could have a Big Shoota in the last codex as well. The only difference is that in this version, it comes from the standard unit options, whereas last edition he had to select it from the armoury... which meant it was actually in addition to the three big shootas that the unit could select for the regular Boyz.

Yes its totally legal, and a really smart thing to do. I think a nob is perfect for having the big shoota. They are always the last ones alive in a boyz mob, and a big shoota is just a great assault weapon. Assault 3, maybe kill something, THEN jump into combat and cut some people up with a power klaw. Its brilliant

Ironklawmadgutsmek wrote:

Gwar! wrote:it says "any ork" not "any boy".

I think you've hit the nail on the head with this, i didn't notice the wording, which dose make for a stronger case. Or through my brother still keeps saying "it's to good to be true"
thanks Gwar,

The Nob is no better at shooting than the rest of the boyz in his mob. It doesn't really make much of a difference in the grand scheme except for the mob having one less Big Shoota to allocate wounds to. So the only real benefit is a ranged weapon likely to survive the longest - and if you get any use out of the Klaw you're no longer shooting.

Spetulhu wrote:

Ironklawmadgutsmek wrote:

Gwar! wrote:it says "any ork" not "any boy".

I think you've hit the nail on the head with this, i didn't notice the wording, which dose make for a stronger case. Or through my brother still keeps saying "it's to good to be true"
thanks Gwar,

The Nob is no better at shooting than the rest of the boyz in his mob. It doesn't really make much of a difference in the grand scheme except for the mob having one less Big Shoota to allocate wounds to. So the only real benefit is a ranged weapon likely to survive the longest - and if you get any use out of the Klaw you're no longer shooting.

The nob also doesn't care about loosing a slugga, since it doesn't grant him additional CC attacks with the klaw.

Well, Nobs have wargear of slugga and choppa, and based on the wording, yeah, I guess you could have the nob carry the special weapon, I have no idea why you would want to though, really. You don't gain anything for it except for ONE more boy attack maybe. (and a neat looking model...)

Edit: Though I wonder, Nobz in the Nobz elites entry can carry a shoota in one hand and a choppa (upgraded to power klaw) in the other...so, maybe that nob in the shootaboy mob can add some dakka to his squad with a big shoota? (Because I know someone who has a nob model holding a shoota and with a bosspole, so maybe he can count it as a big shoota after converting it around a bit?)

starbomber109 wrote:...so, maybe that nob in the shootaboy mob can add some dakka to his squad with a big shoota?

No, he adds no dakka. He's an Ork so he can take one of the the squad Big Shootas but there's still a limit to them.

I've never thought of doing that before, but it makes a lot of sense. In a shoota boy squad you would get slightly more dakka since the nob can't carry standard shootas (for some reason) and the boyz can. Assuming you want to max out special weapons in the squad you get to throw in an extra shoota. It also wouldn't hurt the cc ability of a slugga squad, though im not sure why you'd ever have them shoot unless assault is imminent. I'll have to try this out

Tortoiseer wrote:I've never thought of doing that before, but it makes a lot of sense. In a shoota boy squad you would get slightly more dakka since the nob can't carry standard shootas (for some reason) and the boyz can. Assuming you want to max out special weapons in the squad you get to throw in an extra shoota. It also wouldn't hurt the cc ability of a slugga squad, though im not sure why you'd ever have them shoot unless assault is imminent. I'll have to try this out

Why can't the nob take a shoota exactly? Not that you'd give him one anyway.

Gorkamorka wrote:
Why can't the nob take a shoota exactly? Not that you'd give him one anyway.

Well, i don't have my ork codex on me, but i'm reasonably certain that you cannot equip nob squad leaders with anything aside from PKs or big choppas (and of course the big shootas/rocket launchas that this whole thread is about). There aren't any options to give him a shoota i'm afraid.

Tortoiseer wrote:

Gorkamorka wrote:
Why can't the nob take a shoota exactly? Not that you'd give him one anyway.

Well, i don't have my ork codex on me, but i'm reasonably certain that you cannot equip nob squad leaders with anything aside from PKs or big choppas (and of course the big shootas/rocket launchas that this whole thread is about). There aren't any options to give him a shoota i'm afraid.

Or... not.
The line for shootas specifically states 'the entire mob may', and the above faq quote clearly implies that the operation can include any already purchased nobs.

Fair enough. Not sure why I didn't pick up on that before.

Ork boyz units start out with slugga/choppa. They can trade both of those out for a shoota. One in 10 can trade either his slugga or his shoota for a big shoota. One of them can be upgraded to a Nob. The Nob can trade his choppa for a big choppa or a power klaw. You can make these exchanges in any order you want.

Ok, so if the Nob trades his choppa/slugga for a shoota, he can't get a power klaw or a big choppa-no choppa to trade off for the upgraded CC weapon. However, since he can trade the slugga for a big shoota, he can have a power klaw and a big shoota.

In other words, you can't have a Nob in a Boyz mob with a shoota and an upgrade CC weapon. You can, however, have a Nob with a big shoota and an upgrade CC weapon.

Right?