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If a Terminator squad armed with Powerfists charge out of a Land Raider Crusader, will the Frag Launchers allow them to attack first? I would say yes as the rules for powerfists say "they strike at Initiative 1" rather than "always striking last", so Frag Launchers will give them the advantage of striking first. If not, then Frag Launchers are almost useless apart from using Termies with Lightning Claws

Thanks,

Valkyrie

what? it just gives you frag grenades for that turn ... so you ignore penalties for cover

Ok I must have interpretated the rules wrong. Sorry

Tri wrote:what? it just gives you frag grenades for that turn ... so you ignore penalties for cover

This.

Also note that All frag grenades do is allow you to strike at normal Initiative instead of striking at Initiative 1 when assaulting through cover. Since Power Fists hit at Initiative 1 anyway, it doesn't really do much. The only use I can think of is to make sure you DON'T kill a walker, thus hopefully tying it up in CC so it cannot shoot.

Gwar! wrote:

Tri wrote:what? it just gives you frag grenades for that turn ... so you ignore penalties for cover

This.

Also note that All frag grenades do is allow you to strike at normal Initiative instead of striking at Initiative 1 when assaulting through cover. Since Power Fists hit at Initiative 1 anyway, it doesn't really do much. The only use I can think of is to make sure you DON'T kill a walker, thus hopefully tying it up in CC so it cannot shoot.

? oh i get it ...

Sargent "ok lads power fist away we're going to hit it with frag grenades."
Bob " but sir the frags wont do anything to it"
Sargent "I know that but this way we won't be shot at"
Bob "But he'll kill us all I'm the only one with a storm shield"
Sargent " Yes Bob. On that note any wounding hits will be allocated to you, since you can save them"
Bob "You can can count on me sarge"
Snigger " nothing to do with the fact we hate you"
Bob "what?"
Sargent " Nothing, Nothing. Forward bob we're counting on you"

Tri wrote:Sargent "ok lads power fist away we're going to hit it with frag grenades."
Bob " but sir the frags wont do anything to it"
Sargent "I know that but this way we won't be shoot at"
Bob "But he'll kill us all I'm the only one with a storm shield"
Sargent " Yes Bob. On that note any wounding hits will be allocated to you, since you can save them"
Bob "You can can count on me sarge"
Snigger " nothing to do with the fact we hate you"
Bob "what?"
Sargent " Nothing, Nothing. Forward bob we're counting on you"

Pretty Much

Gwar! wrote:

Tri wrote:Sargent "ok lads power fist away we're going to hit it with frag grenades."
Bob " but sir the frags wont do anything to it"
Sargent "I know that but this way we won't be shoot at"
Bob "But he'll kill us all I'm the only one with a storm shield"
Sargent " Yes Bob. On that note any wounding hits will be allocated to you, since you can save them"
Bob "You can can count on me sarge"
Snigger " nothing to do with the fact we hate you"
Bob "what?"
Sargent " Nothing, Nothing. Forward bob we're counting on you"

Pretty Much

Poor Bob =(