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2009/10/26 17:51:58
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Am I right in assuming that Chaos Space Marine forces can use Imperial Superheavies in apocalypse battles? I don't have the rulebook yet but I was hoping to get a Baneblade/Stormlord for my Chaos Forces but being Imperial Tanks I'm unsure if I can use them? However I have seen pictures of Chaos Baneblades and the like before...
Secondly, if I can take the aforementioned superheavy tanks, whats the rules on transporting models in Power Armour, as presumably theyre designed for Guardsmen not Space Marines?
Thanks, all help appreciated.
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2009/10/26 17:59:41
Subject: Re:Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Stormin' Stompa
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Page 59 in the Apocalypse rulebook allows Chaos players to use Imperial Baneblades.
Wether this extends to other vehicles is an issue you have to take up with your opponent.
Orls can do the same.
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2009/10/26 18:13:12
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Actually it states you can use any of the imperial sheets, not just the baneblades.
So yes, Vindi line breaker squadrons FTW 
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2009/10/26 18:15:11
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
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Transport slots for standard infantry are the same.
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2009/10/26 18:24:51
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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It's apocalypse, you can do whatever the hell you want. Rules don't apply, and players get butt-hurt all the time.
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2009/10/26 18:26:57
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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The Hammer of Witches
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Apocalypse justifies it as anything the Imperium has, has at some point in the past also turned traitor or been stolen by Chaos, so it's perfectly legitimate to field various super-heavies.
As for transport capacity, I think the rules for super heavy transports might make mention of how different models work.
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2009/10/26 18:29:45
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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There is a chart detailing how many spaces each type of model takes up, up to and including dreadnoughts.
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2009/10/26 18:42:34
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Ok, thankyou for the help everyone, is very much appreciated!
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- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2009/10/27 06:15:26
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Stormin' Stompa
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nosferatu1001 wrote:Actually it states you can use any of the imperial sheets, not just the baneblades.
So yes, Vindi line breaker squadrons FTW
Can I get a rules quote or a page reference?
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2009/10/27 06:18:19
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Combat Jumping Ragik
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willydstyle wrote:It's apocalypse, you can do whatever the hell you want. Rules don't apply, and players get butt-hurt all the time.
QFT It is allowed in the rules & I personally would have no qualms with it assuming you make the vehicles look like chaos ones (not needed but would be nice). Also I don't know about RaW but I know some of the titan legions turned traitor. . . 
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2009/10/27 06:22:36
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Shas'O Dorian wrote:willydstyle wrote:It's apocalypse, you can do whatever the hell you want. Rules don't apply, and players get butt-hurt all the time.
QFT It is allowed in the rules & I personally would have no qualms with it assuming you make the vehicles look like chaos ones (not needed but would be nice). Also I don't know about RaW but I know some of the titan legions turned traitor. . .
Totally don't forget FW makes chaos titans too
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2009/10/27 06:52:51
Subject: Re:Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Fleshound of Khorne
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oh yeah you can do almost anything in apocalypse, especially with the imperium to chaos pretty much it all converts, especially titans at one point in the Horus heresy wasn't Mars turned to chaos
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2009/10/27 16:42:26
Subject: Re:Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Pete Haines
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The rule of cool is very much in effect in Apocalypse. If it's cool, it's allowable. Unfortunately, cool is subjective, which can cause arguments. For example, I once played someone who thought putting Mad Dok Grotsnik in a unit of TH/SS marine terminators to give them FNP was cool. I polity disagreed. Then again, I also took 2 stompas with 5 big meks inside each (one with KFF) to keep them up and running so...
However yes, Chaos can take any and all Imperial Datasheets. Pretty much any army has some argument for access to Baneblades. Back when they were the only superheavy readily available, we came up with reasons for every single army except Eldar.
All Imperial Forces: Fairly obvious.
Chaos: Traitors
Dark Eldar: Slaves
Tau: Gue'vesa
Necrons: Dark Mechanicus
Tyranids: Genestealer Cultists
Demons: Possession
Orks: Looted
Eldar: ???
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2009/10/27 16:50:59
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Eldar could simply be allied to Imperial forces, right?
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2009/10/27 18:51:50
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Lord of the Fleet
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The rule also allows you to take things Chaos wouldn't normally be able to take, such as Basilisks.
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2009/10/27 18:55:04
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Stormin' Stompa
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can someone please quote that "rule", because I dont see it.
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2009/10/27 19:09:00
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Steelmage99 wrote:can someone please quote that "rule", because I dont see it.
Would also like to see that quoted. 
But i doubt its possible to quote the non-existent....
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2009/10/27 19:35:25
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Lord of the Fleet
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2009/10/27 19:36:54
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Stormin' Stompa
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There we are. Thanks Valkyrie.
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2009/10/27 19:40:18
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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1hadhq wrote:Steelmage99 wrote:can someone please quote that "rule", because I dont see it.
Would also like to see that quoted.
But i doubt its possible to quote the non-existent....
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2009/10/27 19:48:25
Subject: Can Chaos use Imperial Superheavies?
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Wolf Guard Bodyguard in Terminator Armor
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