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I have noticed that people are really packin the hate on possesed. I personally love them. But to make them more likable for everyone I think that they should be jump infantry, be moved to fast attack, and should be given one more attack. They may need a point change but discuss this.

I think that changing Daemonkin to be rolled before deployment would help immensely. The biggest complaint I've ever heard is that it's too easy to end up with them in a thoroughly unhelpful situation because you find out what they do after they're on the table.

And/or give them Scouts all the time, with a roll of 1 giving them Infiltrate instead.

Keep the Ideas coming

I preferred it when you used to buy their abilities, but if you could roll before deploying, i guess that would be okay.

I agree with the roll before being placed. I woul love if they were jump but then they step all over the raptors toes.

My thinking is they need to be somewhere in the 20-23pt range cause now as they are you can use four more points and get a termie. If not change the point cost then give them another CCW.

Let me buy their abilities and I'll run them.

I'd say be able to roll before deployment. Part of the possessed is that they are more random (So IMO you shouldnt be able to buy their abilities). They're still kick-ass in assault but atm they are too unreliable to field competitively, I think there should be a balance between their ability and random nature - hence roll before deployment...

I would say that they instead roll on the following table:
1: Infiltrate
2: 4+ Cover save due to Daemonic visions, etc.
3: Count has having flamers (Daemonfire)
4: May remove from table and re-deploy via Deep Strike
5: Attacks wound on 2+ (Some sort of Plague weapon)
6: May choose ability (Part of the Tzeench's plans)
This would obviously ramp up their points but I think it adds to the Daemonic feel of the Possessed rather than "a bunch of Marines who are given a generic ability like Scouts or Rending".

To "fix" the Pigs one of two thing must happen. A) the roll is made BEFORE deployment. B) you get to CHOOSE the ability before deployment. There. It really is that simple. No "ifs" or "buts".

Valkyrie wrote:I would say that they instead roll on the following table:
1: Infiltrate
2: 4+ Cover save due to Daemonic visions, etc.
3: Count has having flamers (Daemonfire)
4: May remove from table and re-deploy via Deep Strike
5: Attacks wound on 2+ (Some sort of Plague weapon)
6: May choose ability (Part of the Tzeench's plans)
This would obviously ramp up their points but I think it adds to the Daemonic feel of the Possessed rather than "a bunch of Marines who are given a generic ability like Scouts or Rending".

Bolded the summary since i like and agree with your table. i like 2,3,5 and 6- 5 and 6 give them a daemonic feel tied in with one of the cults, but I feel this theortical table could be improved with a khornate and slaaneshi result... maybe fleet for slaaneshi? i can't really think of anything off atm ><

Oops my mistake, I looked at the stats for Chosen when making this.

Well guys i hate to poop on some of your ideas but they already have a 5+ inv. save. Why would they need a 4+ cover save when they have a 3+ armor save and inv. save?

no offence but I think that some of you are missing the point this isnt about completly changing the unit but making minor changes so that people dont always choose termies over possesed

I still think they need either a point lowering or two CCWs

Possessed Chaos Space Marines:
Possessed Marine: (35 points) WS:5 BS:5 S:5 T:4 W:2 I:4 A:2 Ld:10 Sv:3+
Possessed Champion: (+15 points) WS:5 BS:5 S:5 T:4 W:3 I:4 A:3 Ld:10 Sv:3+

Unit Size: 3 - 10

Unit Type: Infantry

Wargear: Iron Hide, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Frag & Krak Grenades

Special Rules: Fearless, Infiltrate, 5+ Invulnerable Save

Daemonic Marks: All models may purchase a mark for the listed cost.
Mark of Slaanesh: +2 points a model
Mark of Khorne: +3 points a model
Mark of Tzneech: +4 points a model, stacks with increased invulnerable save result in Daemonkin for a 3+ save and a 3++ save.
Mark of Nurgle: +5 points a model

Character: One Model may be upgraded to a Champion for 10 points.

The Champion may have one of the following at the listed points cost.
Power Sword: +15 points
Power Fist: +25 points
Meltagun: +10 points

Daemonkin, this ability is rolled after order of deployment is determined but before any models are deployed.

1: Winged: Unit type changes to Jump Infantry (Chaos Undivided)
2: Daemonic Luck: Unit has +4 invulnerable save (Tzneech)
3: Daemonic Scream: Count has having flamers (Slaanesh)
4: Khornite Rage: +1 strength, +1 attack, -1 to armor save (Khorne)
5: Plague Weapons: Attacks wound on 2+ (Nurgle)
6: Boon of Mutation: Each model and armor save, remove casualties and roll again twice. (Chaos Undivided)


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I personally think that even if they were changed so that people knew which power they were getting possessed as they stand wouldn't be used. 23 points for a model that might be what you need in your army and that has a role that can be better filled by other units in the army. Mine cost more, but have a use in a lot of different situations without being too good.

Points drop, buy your abilities.

This would also allow modelling of the abilities, which is one of the reasons the randomness was removed in the first place (ie, your guys with wings actually have flight etc).

darkkt wrote:Points drop, buy your abilities.

This would also allow modelling of the abilities, which is one of the reasons the randomness was removed in the first place (ie, your guys with wings actually have flight etc).

Exactly.

Vindicator#9 wrote:I still think they need either a point lowering or two CCWs

If you roll a 6, they do

Unit entry: "Possessed count as equipped with a single close combat weapon."

Daemonkin Chart: "...the Possessed gain the following extra equipment or special rule:"

"...6. Power Weapon."

I played a game vs. Daemons not too long ago and proxied some Possessed for the hell of it and rolled a 6. The squad took out some blood crushers.

I havent really faced them (my uncles dread went crazed and blew his possesed up) but they are something like 26 pts and theese changes would boost the points way into the 30pt range which is a bit OTT.

@cannerus the unbearable, i doubt they gain an extra attack when they roll this on the table, just power weapons, but im not a chaos player so...

Well, it's an interpretation issue.
I'm in the boat it's an additional Power weapon, so an extra attack, but there are those that see it differently.
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Possessed are decent now and only need minor changes:
-Roll Before Deployment.
-Price Drop of 1-2 points.
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As to choosing abilities... though this is the place to make up rules, diverges a bit from the representation of possessed GW has decided upon now.

If you look at them, they are random all the way through, in some ways they are the most fluffy of the rules for units...

Holy crap that does leave it open to interpretation. Damn it been corrected by cannerus again. Thanks for the suggestion guys. The lack of definitive rules writing is amazing.

ex·tra (kstr)
adj.
1. More than or beyond what is usual, normal, expected, or necessary. See Synonyms at superfluous.
2. Better than ordinary; superior: extra fineness.
3. Subject to an additional charge: Coffee does not come with dinner but is extra.

Main Entry: 1ex·tra
Pronunciation: \ˈek-strə\
Function: adjective
Etymology: probably short for extraordinary
Date: 1757

1 a : more than is due, usual, or necessary : additional <extra work> b : subject to an additional charge <dessert is extra>
2 : superior <extra quality>

Seems pretty self-explanatory to me

Edit:

@Vindi: When have I previously, if you don't mind me asking? just curious

I know... that's the line I've used before, but some people (and even TO's) are too stubborn to admit that possessed have their charms.

Though, using dictionary definitions has never been a strong arguement for a rules issue.

I normally wouldn't, but it would seem weird to include a completely unnecessary extra word. If we get to omit words from rules, I'm going to start omitting the word not and see how they like it

/shrug.
They 'somehow' don't see it that way.
I can't seem to find the angle...should there be one, but I know for a fact that not everyone plays/allows it.

It's wierd but it exists...

@cannerus you corrected me with the warptime issue on how you reroll the missed not all.