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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/10/28 05:55:41
	  
	    Subject: IG - 500 pt Army 
	
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									Any suggestions/criticism for improvement is welcome.
  
  CCS + Chimera (120)
  -grenade launcher x3
  -multi-laser,hvy flamer
  
  Guardsman Marbo (65)
  
  Vet Squad +  Gunnery Sgt Harker (160)
  -hvy wep team w/ lascannon
  -grenade launcher x3
  
  Vet Squad + Chimera (155)
  -sniper rifle x3
  -autocannon
  -multi-laser, hvy bolter
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/10/28 10:38:01
	  
	    Subject: Re:IG - 500 pt Army 
	
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                            Elite Tyranid Warrior
	 
 
 
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									Harker has very little synergy with a lascannon.  The best build (IMO) would be Harker and 3 GL on foot (and maybe a HBolter team), so he can make best use of his infiltration and relentless abilities.
  Also, I think you will struggle vs armour with only 1 AC and 1 LC.
  Sniper Rifles should only be on static CCS or Ratlings
  
  IMO a better list would be:
  CCS - 3 Melta, HFlamer Chimera - 130
  Marbo - 65
  Vets - Harker, 3 GL, HBolter - 150
  Vets - 3 GL, AC, Chimera - 180
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/10/28 10:48:29
	  
	    Subject: IG - 500 pt Army 
	
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									It looks quite good, but I Would drop the sniper rifles and   Marbo to add a Griffon. The Pie plate will help immensely against Orks, and Sniper rifles suck anyway. I would drop Gunnery Sgt. Harker and the grenade launchers to add more meltaguns. You could also add some Meltaguns to the Lascannon squad. 
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/10/28 11:50:26
	  
	    Subject: Re:IG - 500 pt Army 
	
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									I know the lascannon isn't the best fit with Harker, but I figured an infiltrating lascannon could be very handy. I think there's enough anti-tank to get by at the 500 pt bracket between the lascannon, autocannon, and demo charge. The sniper rifles were mostly because they fit nicely with the range of the hvy bolter and multi-laser on the chimera. With the suggested list you gave, Black Antelope, I'd need to lose 15 points somewhere. I originally wanted the CCS to have meltas, but couldn't dig up the points.
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/10/28 13:56:38
	  
	    Subject: IG - 500 pt Army 
	
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									I still think adding lots of special charateter is for higher points games. Add a Griffon and a Couple of meltas and you have a list that is reliable and can kill tanks. You can use Sgt Harker + Marbo, but save them for higher points levels. They are useful, but you have like 20% of you points tied up in them, which is far to much. There are other things that are more useful. 
  In short, use those two. But not at 500. A griffon will be better. 
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/10/28 16:38:45
	  
	    Subject: IG - 500 pt Army 
	
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									I personnally would keep harker but lose marbo.   
  I think Harker is a steal for the points. He gives the squad infiltrate, stealth and a relentless heavy bolter not to mention he himself has FNP.  But like RL just because something is a good deal shouldn't be the only reason to buy it.  Get him if you intend to use all the neat things he comes with effectively.
  The choice for Marbo is more straight forward, at this low a points you should invest in something that has more staying power.  Marbo's effectiveness is a roll of a dice, zero or hero.  At low points you probably don't want to risk much.  Then again I'm sure anyone playing you would NOT want to see him in your list.
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/10/28 16:53:26
	  
	    Subject: IG - 500 pt Army 
	
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									-1 Harker
  +1 Chimera
  
  Also, you definitely want Meltaguns in your CCS, if only for how well they work with the Bring it Down order (twin-linking vs vehicles and monstrous creatures).
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/10/28 20:18:07
	  
	    Subject: IG - 500 pt Army 
	
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									Strip the squads, for 500pts you could double your infantry if you didn't waste so many points, and still have a solid set of special weapons.  Or you could keep the same infantry and add a tank, or a few sentinels.  My 500 pt lists usually consist of several sentinels, or a hellhound, or a russ.  I also still have enough troops to be able to bring decent veteran squads.  Marbo is going to die as soon as he is deployed (T3 and Sv5+), and I don't see him doing a terribly large amount of damage (Will kill one person with the pistol, then probably die, since he can't assault the turn he arrives).  Harker isn't bad at 500 pts, as it makes the squad very versatile.  Dump all the special weapons mixed with the heavy weapons, pick one or the other.  I would say you should bring a hellhound with multimelta at 500 pts, its a fantastic vehicle.  That and a squad of infiltrators (harker) with special weapons, and another squad of vets with heavy weapons, and a CCS with another heavy weapon... sounds like you could do a lot of damage.
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/10/29 04:01:19
	  
	    Subject: Re:IG - 500 pt Army 
	
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									It's somewhat of a complete overhaul of what I was thinking before, but there was a lot of good input. I think Marbo will be better saved for higher points. The CCS isn't worth it unless I can mobilize it and there have enough units to give orders to so I swapped it for a Psyker. I had 35 points to stick somewhere so I gave harker's squad demolitions and a meltagun. I'm having a hard time trying to find the balance I'm looking for in that I will be primarily facing orks an space marines. Thank you for all the helpful feedback.
  
  Psyker (70)
  
  Vet Squad + Harker (175)
  -grenade launcherx2
  -Meltagun
  -Demolitions
  
  Vet Squad + chimera (135) 
  -vet hvy wep team w/ autocannon
  -multi-laser, hvy bolter
  
  Devil Dog (120)
  
  
  
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/10/29 04:25:38
	  
	    Subject: IG - 500 pt Army 
	
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									Wow, that's a bit different. I think the first list was better actually! 500 points is just too few to start splurging on special characters, no matter how good they are in bigger games. The primaris psyker is a similar thing - T3 IC will die easily, and he's really only bought for support - wherease in this size game there's very little for him to support. 
  
  I think you should start with 2 squads of veterans in chimeras, with three GLs. That's 280 pts. Then a CCS with 4 meltas - that's 425. Spend the remaining points on something that adds a bit of firepower - a hydra or griffon maybe, or an armoured sentinel? 
  
  CCS- 4 melta guns
  Chimera: ML, HHF
  
  Vet Squad- 3 GLs
  Chimera: ML, HB
  
  Vet Squad- 3 GLs
  Chimera: ML, HB
  
  Hydra
  
  Total: 500 pts, 7 KPs
  
  I'm just not a big fan of T3, single models that cost so much, they are a weakness in such a small game. You need enough bodies on the table to soak up hits.      Automatically Appended Next Post:  You seem pretty keen to use harker though (cool model and idea. He ain't got time to bleed.) so one of the vets in a chimera could be swapped out for his squad.
  
  Also you could have 2 scout sentinels instead of a hydra/griffon.
  
  Sorry to sound like I'm dictating your choices to you, I just think it's better to get as many fighting units into the list as possible.
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/10/29 05:04:39
	  
	    Subject: Re:IG - 500 pt Army 
	
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									I figured the psyker would jump in with harker's unit, though it does make the list seem pretty small.  I actually really like this list you tossed up. Any specific preferences for a 75 pt unit? I have a hard time deciding between a hydra flak tank, griffin, or armored sentinel w/ plasma cannon.
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/10/29 05:58:20
	  
	    Subject: IG - 500 pt Army 
	
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									For me, it'd definitely be the hydra flak tank. Griffin is a strong option if you face light infantry armies. Plasma cannon sentinel is overpriced IMO, I'd not take it unless you have opponents trying to jump you with terminators. 
  
  (or if you can't convert/afford a hydra or griffon . . . cunningly, games workshop has made the better option available in pure gold from forgeworld, and put the dubious sentinel in the battalion box!) If you have the sentinel models and don't want to invest in a hydra, you could use 2 scout sentinels with autocannons, which I would rate above an expensive armoured sentinel.
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/10/29 11:07:00
	  
	    Subject: IG - 500 pt Army 
	
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									I would pick a Griffon above a Hydra, as the pie plate will be a huge help against Orks. Its also decent against marines if they have light vehicles or scouts in the open. Otherwise it should stick to firing at Tac squads and laughing as they fail there saves. 
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/10/29 13:43:56
	  
	    Subject: IG - 500 pt Army 
	
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									Guard is a horde army.  Your advantages are numbers and your vehicles.  Again, for 500pts you only have 1 HQ and 2 Troops.  You could easily have 4 Troops, or 2 Troops and a few vehicles.
  
  Not sure why you would want to put Vets with a Heavy Weapons team in a Chimera.  You could just put them in Cover, and give them forward sentries for cheaper and just hang out in 3+ cover.  Go to ground if you have to, and take a 2+ when things get rough.
							 
							
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