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Hi

Can a Kustom Force Field can be use if the Mek is in a vehicle ? Can it affect surrounding unit, and the vehicle it self or the model need to be outside ?

Many thanks

Yes.
The 6" are measured from the vehicles hull. The vehicle and everything within 6" of it's hull are protected.

The vehicle becomes obscured with a 4+ BRB page 62.

It may or may not work within a vehicle. The Ork codex came out January, 2008, but the item is not specified as working in vehicles. The Chaos Space Marines codex, which came out in 2007, explicitly states that icons work in vehicles. So, other codices which were being written at the time which had items which were clearly supposed to work from inside vehicles included wording to that effect. Even the Imperial Guard codex contains those rules for vehicles in which officers can give orders.

The rulebook says that measurements to embarked units are made to the vehicle's hull, without reservation. Vehicle explosions effect models within D6" of the exploding vehicle. So why would the Mekboy be out of range of a 6" explosion but the vehicle in range of the kustom force field?

solkan wrote:It may or may not work within a vehicle. The Ork codex came out January, 2008, but the item is not specified as working in vehicles. The Chaos Space Marines codex, which came out in 2007, explicitly states that icons work in vehicles. So, other codices which were being written at the time which had items which were clearly supposed to work from inside vehicles included wording to that effect. Even the Imperial Guard codex contains those rules for vehicles in which officers can give orders.

The rulebook says that measurements to embarked units are made to the vehicle's hull, without reservation. Vehicle explosions effect models within D6" of the exploding vehicle. So why would the Mekboy be out of range of a 6" explosion but the vehicle in range of the kustom force field?

Sorry, but the rules are very, VERY clear on this. You measure to the Hull, as per page 66 of the BRB.

I love how people use things from a DIFFERENT codex to explain why something should or should not work. Almost as awesome as the "well THE FLUFF SAYS SO!!!" argument

I hate KFF. They give cover to everyone, but in a vehicle it's an instant obscured save. Which means even if you have something that negates cover, the battlewagon still gets its obscured.

Lt Lathrop wrote:I hate KFF. They give cover to everyone, but in a vehicle it's an instant obscured save. Which means even if you have something that negates cover, the battlewagon still gets its obscured.

Whut? Things that ignore Cover saves Ignore Obscured. Being Obscured grants a 4+ COVER SAVE. If something Ignores Cover saves, it ignores obscured too.

Does it count as area cover? So Ordinance would bypass it?

Lt Lathrop wrote:Does it count as area cover? So Ordinance would bypass it?

Ordnance does not Ignore Cover saves...

Are you thinking of Barrage? If so, they still get the cover save, as no matter where the Barrage hits from, they are counting as being in cover, just as if they were in Area Terrain.

Gwar! wrote:

Lt Lathrop wrote:Does it count as area cover? So Ordinance would bypass it?

Ordnance does not Ignore Cover saves...

Are you thinking of Barrage? If so, they still get the cover save, as no matter where the Barrage hits from, they are counting as being in cover, just as if they were in Area Terrain.

Yea, I meant Barrage... I always get them mixed up because most of the Guard vehicles have both. I am curious however, because obscured usually comes from being 50% covered from LoS, which would not constitute as area cover. Thus if you had a barrage weapon, you would shoot over the cover, and would skip a vehicles obscured save.

But not from smoke. . . as it simply grants obscured status.

It could ignore the cover from area terrain - on a vehicle - as LOS comes from the blast marker.

So, barrage weapons wouldn't work, but ones that specifically deny cover saves like Templates or a Collusus Seige Mortar (that specifically states cover saves cannot be taken). Even though these weapons would be stopped by a dome shield in the same manner as a barrage shot would...

Yea, I know real world physics v game world rules. It just drives me nutz here, because the KFF is really annoying when protecting a few battlewagons, and boys.

Lt Lathrop wrote:So, barrage weapons wouldn't work, but ones that specifically deny cover saves like Templates or a Collusus Seige Mortar (that specifically states cover saves cannot be taken). Even though these weapons would be stopped by a dome shield in the same manner as a barrage shot would...

Pretty much.

Its one of the reasons i still take an EML with my Dark reapers they're good at popping Ork Trucks even when they have a big mek in them.

Tri wrote:Its one of the reasons i still take an EML with my Dark reapers they're good at popping Ork Trucks even when they have a big mek in them.

It's one of the reasons why I just go ahead and take Maugan Ra:

a 36" range assault cannon that can ignore cover is pretty awesome.

KingCracker wrote:I love how people use things from a DIFFERENT codex to explain why something should or should not work. Almost as awesome as the "well THE FLUFF SAYS SO!!!" argument

Cracker, I support your petition and all, but don't you dare make fun about "the fluff says so".

....

damn.

Did I stumble into YMDC again?