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I'm making an ork army and It's going to atleast include 40 boyz but I was wondering should they be armed with shootas or sluggas? I'm aiming for 1500 points and I don't have the dex and I usually play against sm. I'm bit leaning on the slugga side as I'v seen that bolters can't do much against sm even with my usual BS 4.

Sluggas for Trukkboyz, Shootas for footsloggers.

Cheese has it. If they're in a vehicle, give 'em the Slugga-Choppa. Otherwise, give 'em Shootas.

With Shoota boyz, I assume you don't run them every turn? Wouldn't it be better to get into CC as fast as possible?

Krall wrote:With Shoota boyz, I assume you don't run them every turn? Wouldn't it be better to get into CC as fast as possible?

No,you wouldn't run shootahz every turn,nor would you particularly be trying to get them into CC,if foot slogging,use this tactic for slugga boyz,for shootaz,get 'em within range of their shootahz & well..start shootin'.

Some math I'm concerned about: 20 shootas shoot 40 shots 13.33333 hit, 6.66666 wound and 2.222222 marines are killed, on the other hand 20 sluggas charge with 80 attack which 40 hit, 20 wound and 6.666666 marines are killed. Ofcourse marines hit first and kill on average 2.08333333 orks. Most my sm opponents are gunline players. It just seems like a suicade to start middlefield firefight.

Id say it really depends on the battle and how the board is set up. If there is alot of terrain to hide in, then sluggas/choppas. Im a HUGE fan of boyz with sslugga/choppa, they just kick so much ass.

illuknisaa wrote:Some math I'm concerned about: 20 shootas shoot 40 shots 13.33333 hit, 6.66666 wound and 2.222222 marines are killed, on the other hand 20 sluggas charge with 80 attack which 40 hit, 20 wound and 6.666666 marines are killed. Ofcourse marines hit first and kill on average 2.08333333 orks. Most my sm opponents are gunline players. It just seems like a suicade to start middlefield firefight.

true but thats sayin you get those foot slogging sluggas into attack atleast with the shooters you can make use of terain to get a save almost as good as the smerfs

It does depend on a lot of factors, but in general, dakka da choppas, and chopp da dakkas!

If you're up against a gun-line with not much intervening terrain, zooOoooM da slugga boys across the table in trukks, wagons, buggies, koptas and what ever else zzooOooooOOmmmmYYyyy you can get!
If there is terrain and cover, and you are facing CC troops, bunker down and shoot 'em!


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illuknisaa wrote:Some math I'm concerned about: 20 shootas shoot 40 shots 13.33333 hit, 6.66666 wound and 2.222222 marines are killed, on the other hand 20 sluggas charge with 80 attack which 40 hit, 20 wound and 6.666666 marines are killed. Ofcourse marines hit first and kill on average 2.08333333 orks. Most my sm opponents are gunline players. It just seems like a suicade to start middlefield firefight.

Sluggas will spend the 1st turn running (taking casualties, causing none).
Shootas hopefully spend the 1st turn walking and shooting (taking and causing casualties).

turn 2, they can (hopefully!) both shoot and charge, with sluggas getting an extra shot while sluggas get an extra CC attack, late in the round.

Everyone above pretty much has it. Shootaboyz do better when they walk, though they can still be effective mounted up (like say in an 'ard case wagon or a trukk, drive by still works in 5th.) Slugga boyz tend to do a bit better when fielded in trukks or wagons (or both) so they can close with the enemy faster and beat them in the assault.

Orks with shootas

(orks are in KFF) Lets say that it's 18" to nearest enemy. 20 shootas move 6" and fire, 2.22222 (lets say 2) marines are dead out of 10. Marines shoot and kill 3.5555555 (3) orks. Orks move into assault at wich point they have killed 1 marine more (7/10). Marines kill 0.729166666 (0) orks more and orks kill 4.25 (4). So orks win with overall kills of 7/10.

Orks with sluggas

(orks are in KFF) Lets say that it's 18" to nearest enemy. 20 sluggas move 6" and fire, 1.22222 (lets say 1) marine is dead out of 10. Marines shoot and kill 4 orks. Orks move into assault at wich point they have killed 0.5 marines more (9/10). Marines kill 0.9275 (0) orks more and orks kill 5.333333 (5). So orks win with overall kills of 6/10.

Intersting result, shootas 1 marine more than sluggas.

Personally, out of experience, shootas give more tactical flexibility and can play an active role while holding objectives. Plus, they aren't that much worse in combat.

In transports is another matter though.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Sluggas for Trukkboyz, Shootas for footsloggers.

QFT

Sluggas on foot are a waste of a phase when Shootas can take part in all the stages. Not to mention that many shots can be prone to good rolls leading to serious damage. As example, 2 Shoota Squads and 1 Loota squad killed 2 squads of terminators in 2 turns for me one game (1 squad a turn). Focus fire is your friend. If you focus fire right you will almost always thin the terminators out to near uselessness.

Sluggas only come into their own when they reach close combat. Meaning to get that beautiful 4 attack charge you are gonna need a trukk, or BW, to deliver you to limit your losses on the way in. They suffer tremendously from losses when looking at their ability to roll through units. So, to protect them they need to be mounted.

Hope that helps

I've had great results when i load up a trukk w/ some slugga boyz.

I send the trukk/s hurtling towards the enemy @ full tilt.

Move the trukk 13" ( w/ RPJ ), bail the boyz out 2".

Pop off a couple of shots w/ the sluggas , charge into assault.

Giving the Slugga boyz a range of 21" or if you pop Waaagh!.any where from 22" - 27 " range.

Good Times !

For trukks, defantly go sluggas, they hit really hard and really fast, you can then move up unmolested as their gunline is tied up in combat.

Kej wrote:
Sluggas on foot are a waste of a phase when Shootas can take part in all the stages. Not to mention that many shots can be prone to good rolls leading to serious damage. As example, 2 Shoota Squads and 1 Loota squad killed 2 squads of terminators in 2 turns for me one game (1 squad a turn). Focus fire is your friend. If you focus fire right you will almost always thin the terminators out to near uselessness.

Sluggas only come into their own when they reach close combat. Meaning to get that beautiful 4 attack charge you are gonna need a trukk, or BW, to deliver you to limit your losses on the way in. They suffer tremendously from losses when looking at their ability to roll through units. So, to protect them they need to be mounted.

Hope that helps

Apples and Oranges, they serve different purposes

That 12 boyz per trukk just seems like a suicide squad. And truks don't come free.

12 Slugga Boyz w/ Nob get 44 standard attacks and 4 power klaw attacks on the charge, plus whatever pistol shots and special weapon attacks you're outfitted for. This is far from shabby.

12 boys with a nob with PK and bosspole cost around 130 points (don't have rulebook on hand but I'm pretty sure). But they pretty much kill one unit each, if your just trying to kill light infantry you might want to omit the PK to cut points, but really I have very rarely not had them get back their points, plus it's a good phycological weapon.

There is a reason people say to ALWAYS take a PK. Sure they go at I1 but who cares, the boyz take the hits, and when its all said and done, its time for the nob to slice some enemies, or punch a hole in a tank. Seriously, always make room for pk nobs in boy squads

I only roll with groups of 30 boyz.

26 Shootas fire 52 shots, hit 17 times, wounds 9 times, kills 3 Marines. They move in to assault, swing 78 times, hit 39 times, wound 20 times, and kill 7 more marines. 10 dead.

26 Sluggas fire 26 shots, hit 9 times, wound 5 times, and kill 1 Marine. They move in to assault, swing 104 times, hit 52 times, wound 26 times, and kill 9 more marines, 10 dead.

Personally, I like that Shoota boyz can fire from 18", soften them up, wait for an advance, then fire again and charge. Slugga boyz can only fire from 12", which lets them open to a charge. Although, I play a lot of Khorne Berserkers, so this might not be a concern for you.

illuknisaa wrote:That 12 boyz per trukk just seems like a suicide squad. And truks don't come free.

Your right, one trukk, 12 boyz, is a suicide squad.

Two trukks with 24 boyz between them is dangerous

Three Trukks with 36 boyz is a threat, which isn't decreased by blowing one trukk...you have to kill all three, combine this with other mech you can hide behind and a KFF and you have the core of an ork mech list.