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if LOS is not necessary?

Q. Can Psychic powers be used on a unit
embarked on a transport?
A. For simplicity’s sake, the answer has to be a
firm ‘No, unless the psyker himself is in the unit
being transported’.

Thanks

Ridcully wrote:Q. Can Psychic powers be used on a unit
embarked on a transport?
A. For simplicity’s sake, the answer has to be a
firm ‘No, unless the psyker himself is in the unit
being transported’.

Can we have your source?

Was it the chilli?

Really where did you pull that from? Hell it might be right but can we have a source or point of verification?

Uhh... the GW FAQ? I figured most people on here would be familiar with it.

My bad, i guess.

Ridcully wrote:Uhh... the GW FAQ? I figured most people on here would be familiar with it.

My bad, i guess.

I dont play that often and dont really come into rule problems, so when you post something without a source, I dont know where it has come from.

If it was an unofficial source, such as the INAT FAQ, rest assured i would make that very clear to the OP.

Ridcully wrote:If it was an unofficial source

-Laughs out loud-

You leap too quickly onto phrases like that, Gwar. Evidently you don't understand what i mean by unofficial. Official means from GW, unofficial means from a third party such as the INAT FAQs. Errata and the BRB are not written in question answer format.

That "Are FAQs official?" thread has scarred you for life.

Ridcully wrote:You leap too quickly onto phrases like that, Gwar. Evidently you don't understand what i mean by unofficial. Official means from GW, unofficial means from a third party such as the INAT FAQs. Errata and the BRB are not written in question answer format.

That "Are FAQs official?" thread has scarred you for life.

They are official house rules. To be used in the absence of any group agreement on the rules; normally used in tournaments and pick up games.

Tri wrote:

Ridcully wrote:You leap too quickly onto phrases like that, Gwar. Evidently you don't understand what i mean by unofficial. Official means from GW, unofficial means from a third party such as the INAT FAQs. Errata and the BRB are not written in question answer format.

That "Are FAQs official?" thread has scarred you for life.

They are official house rules. To be used in the absence of any group agreement on the rules; normally used in tournaments and pick up games.

Official in the sense of being from GW, yes. They are official FAQs. It almost sounds as if you're arguing with me on some level. Let me stop you there.

Anything you quote from that page i already know, and agree with. As i said in the relevant thread, they are by definition not hard rules like the BRB or errata, but followed by the vast majority of players anyway.

Ridcully wrote:Official in the sense of being from GW, yes. They are official FAQs. It almost sounds as if you're arguing with me on some level. Let me stop you there.

Anything you quote from that page i already know, and agree with. As i said in the relevant thread, they are by definition not hard rules like the BRB or errata, but followed by the vast majority of players anyway.

Myself included unless there some thing wrong with the explanation (see all of the necron FAQ)

Tri wrote:

Ridcully wrote:Official in the sense of being from GW, yes. They are official FAQs. It almost sounds as if you're arguing with me on some level. Let me stop you there.

Anything you quote from that page i already know, and agree with. As i said in the relevant thread, they are by definition not hard rules like the BRB or errata, but followed by the vast majority of players anyway.

Myself included unless there some thing wrong with the explanation (see all of the necron FAQ)

I am the same. So long as an FAQ actually clarifies Unclear rules, I'll use it. If it just changes rules that are perfectly clear, I won't.

And in this case it changes rules that are perfectly clear.

Eldar powers do not require LoS.

The rules for transported units, and measuring to/from them is detailed on page 66.

To paraphrase: measure to the hull.

I don't see how following those rules would not be "simple."

willydstyle wrote:And in this case it changes rules that are perfectly clear.

Eldar powers do not require LoS.

The rules for transported units, and measuring to/from them is detailed on page 66.

To paraphrase: measure to the hull.

I don't see how following those rules would not be "simple."

oops knee jerk there. You would need a fire point to use psychic powers from inside to out side. Since people out side can't use fire points they can't cast onto vehicles since there is no rule allowing this.

Exceptions if a rule did X to every one with y" that would be measured to the hull.

Shooting powers require a fire point. Non-shooting powers do not.

For example, if a psyker outside of a transport wants to cast guide on a unit inside a transport, he should be able to do so as you may cast guide on a unit within 6". So you measure to the hull to see if the unt is within 6"

willydstyle wrote:Shooting powers require a fire point. Non-shooting powers do not.

For example, if a psyker outside of a transport wants to cast guide on a unit inside a transport, he should be able to do so as you may cast guide on a unit within 6". So you measure to the hull to see if the unit is within 6"

No common miss conception. There are no given rules for using psychic powers from within a transport other then through a fire point. "If the Player need to measure a range involving the embarked unit" does not give permission for the psyker to use there power on units out side the transport.

Tri wrote:

willydstyle wrote:Shooting powers require a fire point. Non-shooting powers do not.

For example, if a psyker outside of a transport wants to cast guide on a unit inside a transport, he should be able to do so as you may cast guide on a unit within 6". So you measure to the hull to see if the unit is within 6"

No common miss conception. There are no given rules for using psychic powers from within a transport other then through a fire point. "If the Player need to measure a range involving the embarked unit" does not give permission for the psyker to use there power on units out side the transport.

Yes, it does. You are checking to see if Model A is within x" of Unit B

Gwar! wrote:

Tri wrote:

willydstyle wrote:Shooting powers require a fire point. Non-shooting powers do not.

For example, if a psyker outside of a transport wants to cast guide on a unit inside a transport, he should be able to do so as you may cast guide on a unit within 6". So you measure to the hull to see if the unit is within 6"

No common miss conception. There are no given rules for using psychic powers from within a transport other then through a fire point. "If the Player need to measure a range involving the embarked unit" does not give permission for the psyker to use there power on units out side the transport.

Yes, it does. You are checking to see if Model A is within x" of Unit B

Fire points give permission for psychic powers to be used from inside a vehicle. Psychic shooting is covered by "a model can fire" since it counts as a ranged weapon.

Models in a transport are not on the table.

Divide by zero?

kirsanth wrote:Models in a transport are not on the table.

Divide by zero?

That was the ruling in the 4th ed FAQ.

In 5th ed we are given mechanics for how to measure to models in a transport, and we are given other rules for how they interact with the table. I think that models in a transport can easily be considered "on the table."

Yep. That's the way it should work. Sadly, the FAQ has changed it. So if you use the FAQs (as does everyone I am likely to play against), Guide from inside a transport is a no-go.

Allowing for shooting attacks via fire points ok...
But 5e says models in a transport are not on the table regardless - Embarking pg 66.

Or am I missing something again?

Mannahnin wrote:Yep. That's the way it should work. Sadly, the FAQ has changed it. So if you use the FAQs (as does everyone I am likely to play against), Guide from inside a transport is a no-go.

You've actually got it backwards.

The FAQ says you can't cast a power onto an embarked unit from outside the transport.

It's still perfectly fine to cast a power from an embarked psyker onto a unit outside.

You're right. Whoopsie.

And of course, a psyker inside could cast it on his own unit (for example if he was riding with Fire Dragons or Dire Avengers for some reason).