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Hey all, here's a character i thought up when i was toying with the idea of running an elfzilla list, who acts as a kind of Wraithlord/Warlock hybrid.

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Artenesh 5****5**10**8***4**4**4**10**2+

210pts

Individual: An army can include only one Artenesh.

Unit Type: Monstrous Creature.

Wargear: Artenesh is armed with a flamer, a Shuriken catapult, a pair
of Wraithblades (re-roll failed rolls to hit).


SPECIAL RULES

Warlock Powers: Artenesh is a psyker and has the
Conceal (5+ cover save), Destructor (S5 AP4 assault 1 flamer), Embolden (re-roll leadership) and Enhance (+1 to WS and I) warlock powers.

Warp Lancet: In addition Artenesh has the unique warlock power Warp lancet, a psychic shooting attack with the following profile:
12" S9 AP2 Assault 1, lance

Spiritseer: Any Wraithlord or Wraithguard unit
(including Artenesh) with a model within 12" of
Artenesh need not test for wraithsight.

Retinue: Artenesh may be accompanied by a retinue of 3-5 wraithguard at 35pts per model. Artenesh and his retinue count as a single HQ choice.

The idea was for him to be more CC oriented with the templates from the flamer and destructor for anti-troop/horde, and his unique power for anti-armour, which would hopefully shore up some of the weaknesses of Wraithguard while also enhancing their strengths etc.


So what do you think, not enough points? over powered? This is only the first draft, so feedback would be much appreciated

EDITS:
(changed attacks +1 from 3)
(changed dual flamers to flamer and shuriken cat. because of redundancy)
(changed save from 3+, 4++ to 2+)
(changed wraith-spear to unique warlock power)

Why does he need a cover save he already has an invulerability save


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Looks pretty good though I would give him more attacks and one more wound cause he isnt much more powerful than a normal wraithlord as of now

Addicted to Bleach wrote:Why does he need a cover save he already has an invulerability save

Lol thats a very good point, i think i'll call that my blonde moment for today

In that case i'll either remove that warlock power, or i was thinking of allowing him a retinue of 5 wraithguard. What do we think, good or bad idea?

Good ideas Still thinks he needs more attacks for his pts cost

Addicted to Bleach wrote:Good ideas Still thinks he needs more attacks for his pts cost

Really? I thought 5(six on the charge) strength 10 PW equivalent attacks would be enough, considering he wounds on a 2+ and re-rolls missed to hits because of the wraithblades.

Sorry didnt notice you already changed it looks good

Addicted to Bleach wrote:Sorry didnt notice you already changed it looks good

Thanks, though ive changed the dual flamers to a flamer and shuriken catapult. I forgot having the two flamers and Destructor was a bit redundant if he can only fire two of them.

Wow uber pwnage warith lord BURN SLASH STOMP!

Asherian Command wrote:Wow uber pwnage warith lord BURN SLASH STOMP!

Lol i'll admit the ideas quite cheesy, but do you have anything more constructive to add?

I'm not sure Eternal Warrior is really necessary since he's got T8 so he's protected from ID except from weapons that specifically cause it. Any reason why it was added?

Also, while he's got an inv. save, Conceal will help cover his retinue so I'd leave it.

Just a suggestion, but allow him to trade the pair of wraithswords or the shuricannon for a single wraith-spear in keeping with the warlock theme: 18" S10 AP2 Assault 1

Gavin Thorne wrote:I'm not sure Eternal Warrior is really necessary since he's got T8 so he's protected from ID except from weapons that specifically cause it. Any reason why it was added?

Also, while he's got an inv. save, Conceal will help cover his retinue so I'd leave it.

Just a suggestion, but allow him to trade the pair of wraithswords or the shuricannon for a single wraith-spear in keeping with the warlock theme: 18" S10 AP2 Assault 1

Good point, serves me right for writing it up at 4am
also its only a shuriken catapult, i tried to limit his shooting ability to prevent him from being OP

And i like the idea of exchanging the the blades for a spear, though what about a unique warlock power (with the same stats) forcing you to choose between it and destructor?

Why would something that's str 10 only throw a spear only 18"? Must be one hvy spear.

Sanctjud wrote:Why would something that's str 10 only throw a spear only 18"? Must be one hvy spear.

Of course its heavy, he is a wraithlord after all

though as i said in the above post, im thinking of altering it to a unique warlock power.

Thoughts:

4+ I save is too much on a model with T8. He already can't be instantkilled. Maybe make his save 2+ or 3+/5++

I don't know why you made it a psyker. Wraithlords are warriors are coaxed out of the infinity circuits to operate wraith constructs.

He should count as a spirit seer but not have any of the other powers.

Instead of a flamer / shuriken catapult you could give it: Heavy Flamer / Firepike + Wraithswords or Spear

You could make it a bit like the V4 Wraith Host as well... This guy would be HQ

10 men WG = Troops as codex
5 WG + WS = Fast Attack
Wraithlords also as Elites

Edited 22 times!? Lol.

Anyway its a good idea, i take it's like the SW bjorn the fel-handed? It seems a very good idea and i like the powers and CC prowess. Really good. GW should publish this. Perhaps though you need a rule saying the army must include another HQ to act as leader. An army cant be lead by someone who's dead.

So, let's talk fluff, is the soul in there a soul of a powerful farsser or leader, perhaps even a Young King?? I think also if it is the soul of a farsser it must have to take at one (and only one) farsser power for the normal points value.

keezus wrote:Thoughts:

4+ I save is too much on a model with T8. He already can't be instantkilled. Maybe make his save 2+ or 3+/5++

I don't know why you made it a psyker. Wraithlords are warriors are coaxed out of the infinity circuits to operate wraith constructs.

He should count as a spirit seer but not have any of the other powers.

Instead of a flamer / shuriken catapult you could give it: Heavy Flamer / Firepike + Wraithswords or Spear

You could make it a bit like the V4 Wraith Host as well... This guy would be HQ

10 men WG = Troops as codex
5 WG + WS = Fast Attack
Wraithlords also as Elites

For the first point i think you might be right, i'll change that,
though Fluff-wise i think it would be quite interesting for him to be a psyker, perhaps if the souls of the more powerful Eldar psykers retain an amount of their psychic ability, wouldn't it be a good idea to resurrect them, enhancing their last shreds of psychic talent with a specially modified construct.
You could explain why this isn't common by saying the eldar find the idea disrespectful, and that the character personally requested to be brought back.
Also the fluff for warlocks suggest they were more inclined to the warlike side of Eldar psychic-ness (technical term), so it would make sense that he could have been a very good warlock, but not very good at Farseer tricks.
I can't remember of the top of my head if there's any Eldar fluff which contradicts this, but i dont claim to be an expert

And i'd love to do the wraith-host idea, but wouldn't that be a bit complex?



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Eldar Own wrote:Edited 22 times!? Lol.

Anyway its a good idea, i take it's like the SW bjorn the fel-handed? It seems a very good idea and i like the powers and CC prowess. Really good. GW should publish this. Perhaps though you need a rule saying the army must include another HQ to act as leader. An army cant be lead by someone who's dead.

So, let's talk fluff, is the soul in there a soul of a powerful farsser or leader, perhaps even a Young King?? I think also if it is the soul of a farsser it must have to take at one (and only one) farsser power for the normal points value.

I know, 22 times is exessive, what can i say, im a perfectionist

also look above for my ideas on fluff, i took so long writing that i missed your comment, also im changing the spear into a warlock power.

I like it, very nice! Have you put a model together for him?

I've been converting the old metal wraithlords into Aspect Warrior Wraithlords for my exodite/aspect army. So far I've got a Striking Scorpion and my Dark Reaper is almost done. I never thought to make a warlock version though, which is a great idea.