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First of all sory about the rubbish thread name couldnt think of anything else.

OK heres a question. Fluff wise how would you explain a model from a different part of the army in another?? e.g Eldrad ulthran in a saim hann army, Marneus Calgar in a white scars army or Ghaz in a Bad Moons army. Ghazz as a mercenary doesn't seem appropriate. I sort of need help with this but am also interested to hear other Dakka members thoughts.

I thought you could include an army from that characters section. Goff Meganobz with Ghaz in a bad moons army for example. But that seems a bit inconvenient.

Thoughts??

I generally see no problem with it. For example, why wouldn't Ghaz lead a Bad Moons army? He's THE legendary warboss, and he has tons of tribes allied in his waaagh.

I see nothing wrong with using characters under a "Counts As" basis. IE: Eldran in a Saim-Hann army could just be using Eldrad's rules under a different character name.

In fluff terms, I say why not, theres millions of reasons why a character from a race may find itself invested in another faction from the same race!

Finding Eldrad leading a Ultramarine army is pushing it somewhat, but then thats outside of the scope of your original question.

I guess the real "issue" would be your opponent! However, in my opinion, if you pay the points cost for the character, why not?

Eldar Own wrote:First of all sory about the rubbish thread name couldnt think of anything else.

OK heres a question. Fluff wise how would you explain a model from a different part of the army in another?? e.g Eldrad ulthran in a saim hann army, Marneus Calgar in a white scars army or Ghaz in a Bad Moons army. Ghazz as a mercenary doesn't seem appropriate. I sort of need help with this but am also interested to hear other Dakka members thoughts.

I thought you could include an army from that characters section. Goff Meganobz with Ghaz in a bad moons army for example. But that seems a bit inconvenient.

Thoughts??

I wouldn't have known that any of those were in the wrong army. If they are special characters with rules, I would just make them a kinda 'counts as' unit.

Eldar Own wrote:First of all sory about the rubbish thread name couldnt think of anything else.

OK heres a question. Fluff wise how would you explain a model from a different part of the army in another?? e.g Eldrad ulthran in a saim hann army, Marneus Calgar in a white scars army or Ghaz in a Bad Moons army. Ghazz as a mercenary doesn't seem appropriate. I sort of need help with this but am also interested to hear other Dakka members thoughts.

I thought you could include an army from that characters section. Goff Meganobz with Ghaz in a bad moons army for example. But that seems a bit inconvenient.

Thoughts??

I think the usual strategies are to A. Make the model a commander for that army that happens to have the same special characteristics as the Special Character whose rules are being used, B. Make them part of an allied contingent (like you mentioned with the Goff retinue), or C. "i dunno lol".

metallifan wrote:I see nothing wrong with using characters under a "Counts As" basis. IE: Eldran in a Saim-Hann army could just be using Eldrad's rules under a different character name.

I suppoSe, why couldn't Ghaz have a twin brother, who is identical and every single way except for thier clan.??

Thx for the posts guys!!

a lot of new codexes say you can do it, just make up a new name for the character

well there are no rule saying that they are only in that faction

There used to be with IG doctrines, like Guant had to be tanith, and Creed cadian. Massive pain.

Like its been said, there isn't really a problem with it. If you used the metal Marneus Calgar model in all his U covered armored glory in a White Scars army, it might look a little weird, so it might be better to bitz bash a "counts as" model together, but I digress.

Fluff wise, it's either easier or harder, depending on how strict you want to be.

It could be possible that Marneus Calgar was chillin with Jaghadi Khan at some point, and they got attacked. It just seems unlikely. Space Marine chapters kind of keep to themselves, it seems.

Well, they do operate together as part of overall Crusades at times. So I wouldn't see an issue with having Ultramarines Tactical/Terminator Squads led by Marneus alongside a White Scars detachment with Khan.

Provided you have some kind of background to explain it away, that is.

My only non-canon model in my army is Sergeant Telion in my Blood Ravens... I was too scared at the time to try converting him into Sergeant Cyrus (curses!) buuuut I just say... in a very ill-convincing tone... that he's erm... training... our scouts... in exchange for err... vocalisation lessons from Commander Boreale?

I'm planning to use Vect in my dark eldar army, although I'm not using his kabal's colours.

However, since all he does is sit in his souped up ravanger with strangely attractive and untortured slave girls, I figure that the justification will be a snap. I remove the slave girls and the Vect model, and replace it with a nice conversion to merely be a souped up ravanger. Considering nobody is allowed to get off and all the CC attacks come from incubi (who are hired as body guides for most archons) I figure that there is no issue with fluff.

I never use special characters!

'pedro, marenus, shrike and khan all bumped into each other one day and got attacked by some necrons, luckily a large force of LOTD turned up...'

hmmmmm

its more fun to make your own up.

Well, thanks any way guys, but this thread died ages ago, it was revived, and i already have made a descision (different character, same rules).

No more posts please. You messed up my nice ordering system in my profile.