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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/11/08 11:22:55
	  
	    Subject: 1500 pt IG. *FIRST IG ARMY* (rewritten) 
	
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                            Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
	 
 
 
		
		
	
	
	
	
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									"Richards Reavers"
  
  HQ
  Company Command Squad- medic, standard,melta gunner and vox.
  Master of Ordance
  
  Troops.
  Platoon Command
  Commisar,heavyflamer,vox,medic
  
  10x Guardsmen with nades
  
  10x Guardsmen with flamersx2 and vox.
  
  6x Guardsmen with Snipers *For the same points I can swap for 10guard but the snipers are for fun*
  
  10x Vets with meltas/demos and Chimera 
  
  3x Autocannon gun crews 
  
  Elites
  
  3x Ogryn
  5x Stromtroopers with melta
  
  Heavy Support
  Basalisk
  Russ 
  Demolisher Russ with Pask and MM
  
  Question; How should I arm the russes *sponson wise* and what squads would it be necessary to put in power weps or fists? 
    
							 
							
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								 This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 2009/11/09 19:23:08 
							
 I've sold so many armies. :( 
 Aeldari 3kpts         
 Slaves to Darkness.3k      
 Word Bearers 2500k        
 Daemons of Chaos         
 
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/11/08 14:08:05
	  
	    Subject: 1500 pt IG. *FIRST IG ARMY* 
	
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									D'you mind actually organising your list? HQ, Elites, Troops, etc. Pretty bloody difficult to tell what's what when it's just a jumbled bunch of units.
  
  Vets with 3 melta, demolition, Pfist only cost 200 points - I'd drop the powerfist, it isn't much difference against enemy troops, against vehicles the sarge has meltabombs.
  
  Punisher and LRBT with MM sponsons!? Neither of these tanks are for killing vehicles, why do you put the sponsons on them?
  
  SWS with snipers is pretty useless, 3 sniper rifles is unlikely to kill anything at all in a turn's shooting. 
  
  I can't really comment on the list as a whole, because it isn't a list. You don't appear to even have an HQ, unless that's the command squad listed, in which case you don't have a valid infantry platoon. Sorry to be harsh, but how can you have two 40k armies and think this is an army list?
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/11/09 06:06:24
	  
	    Subject: Re:1500 pt IG. *FIRST IG ARMY* (rewritten) 
	
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									Because I was very sleep deprived and hungover before.
  
  Is this better? Can I PLEASE get some feedback? thanks-Shadow
							 
							
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								 This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/11/09 06:08:33 
							
 I've sold so many armies. :( 
 Aeldari 3kpts         
 Slaves to Darkness.3k      
 Word Bearers 2500k        
 Daemons of Chaos         
 
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/11/09 09:23:33
	  
	    Subject: 1500 pt IG. *FIRST IG ARMY* (rewritten) 
	
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									LRBT sponsons should probably be plasma, or no sponsons at all. Punisher sponsons should obviously be heavy bolters. Are you actually deploying those tanks in a squadron? I would advise against it. Squadron rules really limit how useful tanks are.
  
  Stormtroopers and marbo both add very useful deep strike capability, they should work well. Why the 3 footslogging ogryns? They're too slow to make a very tactically flexible counter-assault unit, and the squad is pretty small. I would cut those altogether.
  
  Likewise cut the sentinel IMO. They're overpriced to be be gunline vehicles. Sentinels are better used as outflankers, armed with autocannons, lascannons, hunter-killer missiles, etc.
  
  You do not have a valid infantry platoon. You need a platoon command squad. Cut the SWS with sniper rifles, form a platoon command squad. I would arm them with GLs or flamers, which are both more useful than snipers IMO. As for the rest of the platoon, I think conscripts are overpriced - you pay nearly as much as for a regular guardsman, and get a much worse model. How about making all the conscripts regular guardsmen, and putting the lascannons from the HWS in amongst them - lascannons on their own tend to form a high-priority, very fragile target.
  
  Finally your CCS looks a bit unfocussed, why not give them 4 special weapons, or just the standard bearer, medic and maybe a HWT (basically, either kit them to go forward and shoot things, or to stay back in cover and provide a morale boost to the platoon)
  
  Hope that helps.
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/11/09 19:22:45
	  
	    Subject: Re:1500 pt IG. *FIRST IG ARMY* (rewritten) 
	
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									Thanks! well I have properly rewritten the list. 
							 
							
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 I've sold so many armies. :( 
 Aeldari 3kpts         
 Slaves to Darkness.3k      
 Word Bearers 2500k        
 Daemons of Chaos         
 
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/11/09 19:30:36
	  
	    Subject: 1500 pt IG. *FIRST IG ARMY* (rewritten) 
	
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                            Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
	 
 
 
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									Drop the 6 guardsmen with 3 snipers, and pick up ratlings... look them up and you will see why. (points and stats wise)
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/11/09 19:35:18
	  
	    Subject: Re:1500 pt IG. *FIRST IG ARMY* (rewritten) 
	
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									I like the ratlings alot actually. But more often then not I will trade the snipers for 10 men guardsmen.
  How is the list now though?
							 
							
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 I've sold so many armies. :( 
 Aeldari 3kpts         
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 Word Bearers 2500k        
 Daemons of Chaos         
 
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/11/09 22:13:41
	  
	    Subject: Re:1500 pt IG. *FIRST IG ARMY* (rewritten) 
	
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									It's still an outright cruel read, I don't want to imagine what this must have looked like before... 
  
  You got a whole bunch of unnecessary upgrades like the medic in the CCS. Anything S6+ will ignore that FNP, same goes for low AP and powerweapon attacks. Same for the standard. You'll need it if your men run. The comissar is there to prevent that. Otherwise you still can order them to regroup. Vox are a question of taste... The MoO is also not a great choice (search the Forum for Lt. Lathorp's thread on him for reasons)
  10 guardsmen get one special and one heavy. use that. If you're not sure how to use them go AC/GL, it's cheap, quite effective and a little versatile. There are no regular guard squads wielding 2 Flamers...
  anything else has been said already...
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/11/09 23:57:13
	  
	    Subject: Re:1500 pt IG. *FIRST IG ARMY* (rewritten) 
	
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									I'm very used to chaos marines so this may be why my list seems odd.
  I'm going to work on it and maybe write the list a little better. Though no one ever had a problem with grammar and typing when it was a chaos list. I thought that rather odd *shrug*
							 
							
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								 This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/11/09 23:58:49 
							
 I've sold so many armies. :( 
 Aeldari 3kpts         
 Slaves to Darkness.3k      
 Word Bearers 2500k        
 Daemons of Chaos         
 
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/11/10 00:16:09
	  
	    Subject: 1500 pt IG. *FIRST IG ARMY* (rewritten) 
	
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									Well....thats to be expected from Choas players....But you're in the Emporer's Imperial Guard now Trooper!
  
 So Straighten up and fly right boy, or so help me the Commisar will be the least of your problems!!!   
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/11/10 00:41:24
	  
	    Subject: 1500 pt IG. *FIRST IG ARMY* (rewritten) 
	
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									If you're going to give a russ sponsons, give them to the LRBT not the demolisher.  The demolisher needs to stay mobile and cheap, as it's closest to your front line and first to die if the enemy breaks through.  Drop the MM sponsons and pask (pask is not worth it in any russ besides the exterminator) and give plasma sponsons to your LRBT. 
  
  The gigantic minimum range of the basilisk makes it a horrible artillery choice.  If you want an all purpose artillery choice, go with the manticore.  D3 indirect blasts that are great against tanks and all non MEQ/TEQ infantry.  If you really want an artillery choice that can deal with MEQ, go with the medusa, and make it closed top.  Still good against tanks, and can mess up marines and terminators pretty well too.   
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/11/10 01:00:32
	  
	    Subject: Re:1500 pt IG. *FIRST IG ARMY* (rewritten) 
	
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									Hmm I think I could make the basilisk into a Medusa fairly easy. *The guns hanging down* I really considered too. But I will make out what I prefer this next games day, Imo though the basilisk owned the Ultras I fought something rough last day.
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2009/11/10 03:09:43
	  
	    Subject: 1500 pt IG. *FIRST IG ARMY* (rewritten) 
	
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									I would cut medics on the command squads, they're overpriced and there are just too many S6+ weapons out there. Commissars are better used in the infantry squads than in the PCS (stubborn is only useful on large size units)
  
  I would drop pask, he's not that great anyway, and his abilities don't synergise well with ordnance templates. Use the points for plasma sponsons on the LRBT.
  
  Not a huge fan of the ogryns, they'd be better off turned into more guardsmen. As everyone has said, you need to put a heavy and a special weapon into every infantry squad (they're useless without) and kit the PCS out with weapons as well.
							 
							
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