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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/11/14 06:33:20
Subject: RNC supports Abortion
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http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=2&threadid=3294158
Politico
The Republican National Committee will no longer offer employees an insurance plan that covers abortion after POLITICO reported Thursday that the anti-abortion RNC's policy has covered the procedure since 1991.
"Money from our loyal donors should not be used for this purpose," Chairman Michael Steele said in a statement. "I don't know why this policy existed in the past, but it will not exist under my administration. Consider this issue settled."
Steele has told the committee's director of administration to opt out of coverage for elective abortion in the policy it uses from Cigna.
Federal Election Commission Records show the RNC purchases its insurance from Cigna, and two sales agents for the company said that the RNC’s policy covers elective abortion.
As of Thursday, the RNC’s plan covers elective abortion – a procedure the party’s own platform calls “a fundamental assault on innocent human life.”
Informed of the coverage, RNC spokeswoman Gail Gitcho told POLITICO earlier Thursday that the policy pre-dates the tenure of current RNC Chairman Michael Steele.
“The current policy has been in effect since 1991, and we are taking steps to address the issue,” Gitcho said.
The RNC moved quickly Thursday to assuage any concerns its members might have.
In a letter obtained by POLITICO, RNC Chief of Staff Ken McKay writes to the 168 committeemen and committeewomen across the country that Steele "takes this issue very seriously."
He writes that the RNC has been evaluating its health insurance policy and will continue to do so.
Leading up to passage of the House health care reform bill last week, 176 House Republicans joined 64 Democrats in voting for the so-called Stupak amendment, a measure that prohibits federal funds from being used to buy health insurance that covers elective abortions.
A spokeswoman for the National Republican Congressional Committee – the campaign arm for the House Republicans – said it does not include coverage for elective abortions in its employee insurance policy.
“The policy does not cover abortions unless the life of the mother is in danger,” the NRCC spokeswoman said.
According to several Cigna employees, the insurer offers its customers the opportunity to opt out of abortion coverage – and the RNC did not choose to opt out.
But rank-and-file Republicans said Thursday before the change was announced that the policy should – and would – be changed.
“We were not aware of this, obviously, and this will, of course, be fixed,” said James Bopp Jr., a Republican National Committeeman from Indiana. “I think Chairman Steele will see to it that that’s the case.”
Rep. Jack Kingston, a Georgia conservative, said “they need to drop that clause” from the policy or find a new one.
“From a philosophical standpoint, it’s inconsistent,” Kingston said. “It makes me think someone isn’t scrutinizing the purchases.”
Cigna spokesman Chris Curran declined to discuss the specifics of the RNC’s plan, saying it’s against company policy to reveal even the identities of its insured. But he said that Cigna’s products “are designed to meet the requirements of our individual employer clients. Employer clients are informed of the services covered and it is their choice to decide which benefits meet their needs.”
There is no indication that any RNC employee used the abortion coverage, but Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards said it’s “no surprise” that the RNC had been offering it.
“It’s an employer that wants to provide standard health benefits for its employees,” she said. “That’s why the Stupak amendment goes too far in taking away benefits that women have today, and that’s why women won’t allow the Stupak amendment to become law.”
The Stupak amendment, named for sponsor Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), was adopted by the House before it passed the health care bill on Saturday night. It prohibits a government-backed health care plan from offering abortion services and bans the use of federal subsidies for individuals to buy into health care plans that provide abortion coverage.
Rep. John Shadegg of Arizona was the only House Republican who did not vote in favor of the amendment. He voted “present.”
While 64 Democrats voted for the amendment, the majority did not – and the Democratic Party’s 2008 platform says the party “unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay.” The Democratic National Committee provides abortion coverage to its employees, the committee said.
So either they are too inept to read Insurance papers and the insurance company is lying when it says every client is informed of all services and can opt out, or they knowing have been using tax and donation money to cover something that is completely against a core Republican issue.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/11/14 06:34:59
And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/11/14 15:18:00
Subject: RNC supports Abortion
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Wow I incredibly...don't care.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/11/14 15:42:35
Subject: RNC supports Abortion
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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The Republicans just forced in a measure to the health care bill that insurance cannot cover abortion if the company gets taxpayer money.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/11/14 18:29:58
Subject: RNC supports Abortion
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Atcually it was the evil blue dog democrats. Those evil blue dogs! The Rpeublicans didn't vote for the health care fiasco bill. Ok one did, but he will be...dealt with.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/11/14 19:11:30
Subject: RNC supports Abortion
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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You've got it the wrong way round, Frazz.
If the rest of the Republicans could also be got to vote to put the same clause in for all medical procedures...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/11/14 22:19:41
Subject: RNC supports Abortion
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Frazzled wrote:Atcually it was the evil blue dog democrats. Those evil blue dogs! The Rpeublicans didn't vote for the health care fiasco bill. Ok one did, but he will be...dealt with.
Voting has nothing to do with the manner in which a bill is written, or amended.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/11/14 22:27:11
Subject: RNC supports Abortion
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Otiose in a Niche
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Frazzled wrote:Atcually it was the evil blue dog democrats. Those evil blue dogs! The Rpeublicans didn't vote for the health care fiasco bill. Ok one did, but he will be...dealt with.
Conservatives on both sides forced an open vote on the abortion ammendement and the republicans passed it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/11/14 23:30:56
Subject: RNC supports Abortion
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Bane Knight
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Who bloody cares?
There are times and cases where abortion is merited and necessary as a medical procedure. To deny a single procedure as a medical necessity simply because of the outcome damaging a potential infant disregards the value of the mother.
These people are creating roadblocks to keep their jobs and appear to be working.
Political party should be the last thing on someone's mind when figuring right and wrong.
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Special unique snowflake of unique specialness (+1/+3versus werewolves)
Alternatively I'm a magical internet fairy.
Pho indignation *IS* the tastiest form of angry!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/11/15 00:00:46
Subject: RNC supports Abortion
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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Abortion is only a republican issue insofar as their conservative religious base trumps the issue as their calling card of paramount importance. This is just pandering to try and "right a wrong" in order to draw the spotlight to Steeles conservative cred, which has waned considerably since the right wing media started taking shots at him.
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/11/16 12:14:48
Subject: RNC supports Abortion
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Get off my lawn!
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/11/16 16:59:33
Subject: RNC supports Abortion
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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I still find this issue puzzling, considering that women who define themselves as "ultra-conservative" have an average of 1.9 abortions in their lifetime and women that define themselves as "ultra-liberal" have just 0.8 abortions in their lifetime on average.
Working as a CNA at Planned Parenthood, I've seen some of the craziest stuff. The head of the Republican club at a local conservative college was my favorite (she drove almost 2 hours to make sure no one recognized her, but declared it pretty loudly once in the office), women that demanded a separate waiting area away from the trash or sluts because they "had a good reason for their abortion" (we got about 2 of those per week), the children of our typical gamut of protesters made up a steady part of the business also.
Cheers though to the staff members that gave them every bit of compassion and consideration allowed to any other woman coming in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/11/16 17:18:09
Subject: RNC supports Abortion
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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(edited as it was a bit harsh)
You work for a place that is viewed by many as an abortion mill ending the lives of children, yet seem to act like Republicans are hypocrites.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2009/11/16 18:14:46
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/11/16 17:22:49
Subject: RNC supports Abortion
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Chief Deputy Sub Assistant Trainee Squig Handling Intern
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Oldgrue wrote:Who bloody cares?
There are times and cases where abortion is merited and necessary as a medical procedure. To deny a single procedure as a medical necessity simply because of the outcome damaging a potential infant disregards the value of the mother.
These people are creating roadblocks to keep their jobs and appear to be working.
Political party should be the last thing on someone's mind when figuring right and wrong.
Personally, I am Pro-Choice.
Being a guy, I am highly unlikely to ever really be affected by the subject matter, but my many female friends may. It is a womans right to choose.
And believe me, make it illegal, and it will still happen. In back streets. And that is not something you would ever want anyone to go through. So keep it legal, or make it legal. Put proper councilling into place to help the would be Mother make the right choice for her, and everyone else keep the hell out of it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/11/16 17:41:14
Subject: RNC supports Abortion
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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To restate.
Its legal.
We have two wars, a budget deficit that would make Darth vader cry, a massive recession, and cap and tax smoke and mirrors to deal with. Who cares about this, or obama bowing to the Emperor of Japan etc. etc. Its stupid.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I've been reported, and on 2 threads. I'll leave those reports to other mods.
Evidently people don't like it when you disagree with them and are frank. Excellent.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/11/16 18:08:01
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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