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How much less accurate is a Master of Ordnance (MoO) compared to a basilisk, when you assume that both have LOS to their targets and the MoO can order itself with the Bring It Down! order?

Same question for both but without LOS (so no orders)?

Just curious how inaccurate is a non heavy support slot filling 30pt basilisk is compared to the real deal.

He is a horrible horrible little man that i wouldn't take in a game less than 2000 point unless i'm playing a horde army like footslogging ork boyz. He misses so much that in order to get a direct hit you need to sacrafice a virgin on a blue moon when the stars are properly aligned it would seem. He seems great, and imo he is- in bigger games! 3o point basilisk in a big game is a tidy purchase

I generally use him from 1200 pts up. sure he is innacurate as hell, but at only 30 pts he only needs one good hit to make his points back - thats only 2 meqs- and its not hard to get such a hit with use of the bring it down! order

Jimole wrote:I generally use him from 1200 pts up. sure he is innacurate as hell, but at only 30 pts he only needs one good hit to make his points back - thats only 2 meqs- and its not hard to get such a hit with use of the bring it down! order

Sadly Bring It Down! only works against Vehicles (or a squadron of vehicles) or Monstrous creatures (or a unit of Monstrous creatures) so unless were talking a unit of monstrous creature MEQ (Demon Prince Gank Squad, DPGS?!) you cant use to the order as you seemed to suggest against infantry..

Buut I agree, one hit per game & he's made his money back. If you field alot of blast templates then your chances of awesome-large scatter (i.e scattering a larger distance onto an entirely different unit) is larger, as in you'll see it happen more per game (ofc not necessarily with the MoO, but still).

But thanks, what I needed to hear

It also depends what sort of CCS you're running. Master of Ordinance cant call in strikes if he moves. If meltas, flamers, or melee CCS, I wouldn't bother with him since those types will usually be maneuvering.

He is useless. Just tried him and while he is only 30pts... he wont actually hit anything. For example, though, 6 turns of firing constantly will net you two "hit" results on the scatter die (which is a 2/6 chance or 33.4%); Now we all know that the average of 2d6 is roughly 7".. so lets assume one time he can see & another he cant - So one should definitely miss and one might still hit a few troops. The other 4 turns will see a rough 7-11" scatter.

Go spend 30pts more & buy Ram.. Marbo.

Razerous wrote:He is useless. Just tried him and while he is only 30pts... he wont actually hit anything...
Go spend 30pts more & buy Ram.. Marbo.

While I heartily support using the instrument of terror known as Guardsman Marbo, I would not label the MoO as totally useless. He has his uses in certain situation. 1) Large point games such as Apocalypse ( cheap ordnance ), 2) countering horde enemies like Mob Orks, 3) theme/special scenarios like Planetstrike ( bunker busting/area denial ).

Sadly Bring It Down! only works against Vehicles (or a squadron of vehicles) or Monstrous creatures (or a unit of Monstrous creatures) so unless were talking a unit of monstrous creature MEQ (Demon Prince Gank Squad, DPGS?!) you cant use to the order as you seemed to suggest against infantry..

That's never a problem with my opponents as they always have meqs or orks piling out of transports. You aim the for the transports and whale the infantry when they are huddled around them after deploying .

You can't go wrong if you just aim for the MC/armour with the most baddies hanging around it. Its barrage which means it always resolves vs side armour so its perdy good at brewing up armour when it does hit.

Having said that all this, he very very definately scales up in value the larger the game gets.

The problem I have with the master of ordinance is I run a mech list so I want to move the Chimera to get the most of the CCS meltas.

Master of Ordinance is pretty good if your running a foot list and your CCS is sitting still issuing orders to platoons.

I play a necron player who's infantry are always in a phalanx formation. Getting a shot into the middle and i'm almost garentee'd to hit something =p

If your command squad is geared for it then take it. Just like a sniper doesn't apply for manuvering command squads, or a flamer for a long distance, he has his niche.

I like the MoO - 30 pts for a pinning pieplate that doesn't need LoS. If average 2d6 is 7, minus 3, that means a 'hit' will be a 'hit' on many targets.

murdog wrote:I like the MoO - 30 pts for a pinning pieplate that doesn't need LoS. If average 2d6 is 7, minus 3, that means a 'hit' will be a 'hit' on many targets.

You may think that.. but against vehicles that 3" scatter will move off of most vehicles and the other 4/6 times it will scatter waaay off with a 7" scatter.. :(

murdog wrote:I like the MoO - 30 pts for a pinning pieplate that doesn't need LoS. If average 2d6 is 7, minus 3, that means a 'hit' will be a 'hit' on many targets.

Even if you get the 2d6-3 (Which you usually won't: You only have a 1/3 chance of not getting 3d6 scatter, and only get the BS if you have LOS)... 4" scatter on a 1.5" radius template is a lot. You'll almost never get the model you shoot at under the template, and usually will miss anything but sizable squads entirely.

Doesn't the MoO use the Large Blast? It's an ordinance weapon...

murdog wrote:Doesn't the MoO use the Large Blast? It's an ordinance weapon...

I was specifically told they used the small blast marker by an IG friend in an argument about them.
Apparently he's an idiot.

Gorkamorka wrote:

murdog wrote:Doesn't the MoO use the Large Blast? It's an ordinance weapon...

I was specifically told they used the small blast marker by an IG friend in an argument about them.
Apparently he's an idiot.

Ahh dont be too harsh. He was nearly right!

Lol it makes a difference - that's a big pieplate!

murdog wrote:Doesn't the MoO use the Large Blast? It's an ordinance weapon...

The MoO is not a hardbound lawbook (only Ordinance weapon I can think of). But it is an Ordnance weapon, and all Ordnance blast weapons use the large blast marker unless otherwise specified. main rules, page 58.