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Made in cy
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Last question for now guys!?

Which Undercoat would you say is used most? or would be the best to use?

I'm used to using Black, but the problem i found is that applying reds, yellows etc... dont seem to show up that well, meaning you have to apply several coats to get the desired finish and i dont really want to overload the detailed parts. I've recently seen alot of mini's painted up using a White undercoat then a black wash to bring the detail out and you still have the white to apply your reds, yellows!?

can anybody shed any light on this?
   
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos






Lake Forest, California, South Orange County

Black is used I'd say a good 80% of the time. The main reason being that it hides gaps or flaws in a paintjob rather well. Black is also the best basecoat for metals.

It will dull down colors to not be so bright. As such yellow, white and red have trouble with coverage over it, as they tend to retain some transparency after they dry, even after multiple layers.

White has the opposite effect. Your reds will be bright as hell and as such will likely need to be shaded down with a wash or glaze. Flaws can be spotted a mile away with white primer.

On the other hand, it is almost mandatory for a truly decent bright red, yellow, or even white paint job. Unfortunately GW didn't release a pure white foundation paint(which is such an obvious choice) so getting a good white color almost requires white primer.

Red and yellow foundation paints are excellent, but remember that they need to be thinned and ideally painted in thin layers the same as any other paint.

For me it all comes down to the model. 40k stuff I always prime black, as it blacklines alot of detail gaps that may be missing or too hard to paint(the inside of shoulder pads etc.). For fantasy I prime grey(I use Floquil Primer) as it allows me to get bright tones which can then be shaded down, and in fantasy there are generally very few details which require black(armor and weapons only). Now if a fantasy model is in full plate, I will prime it black.

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Made in cy
Fresh-Faced New User




Thats great, thankyou very much for that detailed information. That will help me alot! keep it coming in though guys, if you think white works better i'd like to hear the reasons why!!
   
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Korea (South, of course!)

As aerethan has mentioned, it's a real pain in the behind to paint White, Red or Yellow on top of black primed figures.

So if you're going with a paint scheme that's predominantly White, Red or Yellow (White Scars, Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, for example), I would recommend priming them with white.

But on the other hand, I've heard that the red and yellow paints from the GW Foundation series work amazingly well, even on top of black primer.
Since I don't have first-hand experience with GW Foundation paints, I can't comment on that.
   
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout





Raleigh, NC

You can also use grey primer. It is a happy medium between the two.
   
 
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