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Dreadlord - Pendant, Manticore, armour of darkness, crimson death and RXB

Master - Dark Pegeaus, Calidors bane, Shield, heavy armour, SDC, RXB (Chariot killer, War marchine killer, Scout unit killer, Flanker)

Lvl 2 Sorc - Tomb of Furion, Focus familiar, Cold one

Lvl 2 Sorc - Darkstar cloak, Power stone, Cold One

3 x 6 dark Riders - Champ, RXB's

7 Cold Ones knights - FC, Banner of Slaughter

6 Cold One Knights - FC. War Banner (Master goes here)

8 Shades - Champ

2 x War Hydra's

This army is around 2k points sorry dont have exact at work at the moment will post tomorrow actual points.

Thanks

What are peoples commets for this been competitive torny army?

First, the master cant join a unit cause he's on a flying mount. You should put the sorceresses on dark steeds, you dont need to be failing stupid tests with spell casters.
otherwise its pretty good.

First, the master cant join a unit cause he's on a flying mount. You should put the sorceresses on dark steeds, you dont need to be failing stupid tests with spell casters.

Yeah changed my mind he is going to be going solo (Please god let there be ok cover!!) and the ladies are indeed going to steeds as dont have models for cold ones anyway and really dont want stupid mages lol.

Thanks

My one comment is that you may want to get Banner of Cold One somewhere to ensure Stupidity doesn't kick in when you least desire it to.

FC on cold ones is too expensive. 45 points for +1 attack, +1 SCR, break ties, and +1 to rally? Not a great investment. Same with the standard of slaughter. It only works on the charge, and CoKs should be flanking so their shouldn't be too much SCR to overcome. War banner is for SCR units, cold ones are supposed to be cheap flankers, not res bunkers.

Also 6 wide is the most you can get cavalry attacking the typical 20mm R&F, no real need to go above that.

Champ on dark riders isn't needed, if you give them any command, give them a musician (even then not really needed)

Champ in shades is too expensive to buff up an already elite shooting unit. BS 5 for the unit is all you need, paying extra for BS 6 and an extra attack is not worth it.

Tome of furion wizard can't have two arcane items. So either focus familiar, or tome of furion.

Power stones are junk with DE. You just don't need them if you build the list correctly. If you want a magic phase the most efficient way is to bring a caster lord. It actually ends up being very efficient. This would require you to drop the master, downgrade the manticore rider to a master, and build a good lvl wizard.

All in all, the army concept won't do too badly, but it does have some issues against SAD and hordes. There is a distinct lack of volume of attack, and there isn't any anvil units to hold the enemy for the hammers to hit hard with. O&G should have no problems beating this if they bring spear chukkas and fanatics. Do you really want to be the guy who lost to O&G? j/k Skaven will be a problem as well.

Ok what would you suggest for a 2k DE army?? Cav or not?

Thanks

Vent.

Ventriss wrote:Ok what would you suggest for a 2k DE army?? Cav or not?

If you like cavalry armies and for some reason would prefer to do it Druchii-style instead of Brets or WoC, you should read this article from druchii.net about Dark Riders with shields as a central core unit. They are completely different with shields than without, but would help you out as far as keeping a cavalry theme and getting a little fast, medium-strength hitting power with some SCR.

Of course, that being said, it's still suboptimal. It's simply an option many people don't even consider, but can theoretically be effective.

Not a fan of cavalry and magic lists for DE's. Usually the benefits of being cavalry (resistant to most magic missles, combat turn 2, etc) allow you to take minimal magic. The Manticore isnt my first choice in a monster/cav list, unless I already have the dragon. I played a similar list, and found that you could autobreak units easily from combined charges (and its hard to kill a dragon/manti/hydra/hydra/18 COK although this is a 2250 list).

I'd start with this, and add gear to taste:

DL + Manticore
Noble + DP
Caddy + Dark Steed

3x5 Dark riders + Music
3x5 Harpies

6 CoK + standard + champ + Ring of Hotek + warbanner
2x6 CoK

2x Hydra

Hello again,

New list i wrote last night.

Dreadlord - Manticore, Pendant, Crimson Death, Armour of Darkness.

Master - Cold one, BSB, Sea Dragon Cloak, Armour of eternal Servitude, Shield

Sorc - Lvl 2, Dark Steed, TOF

3 x 5 Dark Riders

7 x COK, C,M,S, Standard of slaughter

6 x COK, C,M,S.

4 x RBT

More points to spend yet.

Ventriss wrote:Hello again,

New list i wrote last night.

Dreadlord - Manticore, Pendant, Crimson Death, Armour of Darkness.

Master - Cold one, BSB, Sea Dragon Cloak, Armour of eternal Servitude, Shield

Sorc - Lvl 2, Dark Steed, TOF

3 x 5 Dark Riders

7 x COK, C,M,S, Standard of slaughter

6 x COK, C,M,S.

4 x RBT

More points to spend yet.

Two suggestions.

First: Either upgrade the manticore to a dragon, or downgrade to a dark pegasus to save points. Manticores, while nasty, have no armor save and tend to get chewed up pretty quickly.

Second: 4 RBT is way too many. Get a hydra or two. They are your bread-and-butter special unit.

4 RBT isn't too many! 2 is too few, 3 is good enough, and 4 is great. Hydras are the default choice, but sometimes bolt throwers are the correct choice. If you go with hero monsters, hydras would be better though. Saturate the opponents ability to hurt big things. I prefer the hydra because for some strange reason it is cheaper than 2 bolt throwers.

Still think you are spending too much on the cold one knights. 7 wide is a waste of frontage (only 6 can get in against normal SCR blocks, and if you flank you won't even get that). The command options have a bad cost to effectiveness ratio.

The only reason to put a Dreadlord on a manticore instead of a dragon is to save points, or leave that 4th hero slot open. So I would either drop the master for a dragon, or add another hero to justify the manticore. You have a hero worth of points tied up in unit upgrades on the CoKs alone, toss in the 50 points you would save if you changed the RBT for the hydras, and you get quite a bit more options. The master how you have it is kind of redundant. A non magic BSB for dark elves really doesn't do much. If you got into a combat where you need to re-roll a break test, you probably had no business in the combat. If you are going to take a cold one BSB, at least give him the hydra banner.

Ventriss wrote:Hello again,

New list i wrote last night.

Dreadlord - Manticore, Pendant, Crimson Death, Armour of Darkness.

Master - Cold one, BSB, Sea Dragon Cloak, Armour of eternal Servitude, Shield

Sorc - Lvl 2, Dark Steed, TOF

3 x 5 Dark Riders

7 x COK, C,M,S, Standard of slaughter

6 x COK, C,M,S.

4 x RBT

More points to spend yet.

I would give the Dreadlord a Black Dragon as a mount, instead of the Manticore (which is very vulnerable to shooting and could leave your Dreadlord on foot).

Your Sorceress needs to have 2 Dispel Scrolls and doesn't need the upgrade to level 2 (what are you going to do with 4 Power Dice?).

The Cold One Knights might as well be fielded without the Champions, Musicians and Standard Bearers. If you do decide to take a Champion, give him the Ring of Hotek. If you take a Standard Bearer on one of these units, give it the Banner of Cold Blood.

Taking Hydra's would be so much better then taking Reaper Bolt Throwers, if only for the target saturation, as has been mentioned.