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So the rules say that MODELS with frag grenades do not suffer the initiative penalty. So reading that only the models with assault grenades do not attack at initiative 1. But with Defensive grenades it says a unit attacking a unit with Defensive grenades do not gain an extra attack in the charge. So reading that I would suppose that if one of the models has Defensive grenades than the whole attacking unit loses the extra attack.

SO here's the what happened. My SM were assaulting a unit of Plague Bearers (no Defensive grenades) with and IC that had defensive grenades. Now in assaults IC's and the unit they are with are considered separate units. So would I of been correct that only the attacks directed at the IC lost the extra attack?

General_Chaos wrote:So the rules say that MODELS with frag grenades do not suffer the initiative penalty. So reading that only the models with assault grenades do not attack at initiative 1. But with Defensive grenades it says a unit attacking a unit with Defensive grenades do not gain an extra attack in the charge. So reading that I would suppose that if one of the models has Defensive grenades than the whole attacking unit loses the extra attack.

SO here's the what happened. My SM were assaulting a unit of Plague Bearers (no Defensive grenades) with and IC that had defensive grenades. Now in assaults IC's and the unit they are with are considered separate units. So would I of been correct that only the attacks directed at the IC lost the extra attack?

Only the individual models with OFFENSIVE grenades benefit, but if just 1 model has defensive grenades, the whole unit benefits.

The IC is NOT a separate unit, he is still attached to the unit and is part of that unit. He is just counted as a separate unit when allocating attacks. Nothing more.

In short, if the IC had Defensive Grenades, no-one in the assaulting unit gets the bonus attack, even if they allocate attacks towards the unit and not towards the IC.

but the rule book says that when attacks are resolved the IC is a separate single-model unit?

*page 49 for those playing along at home*

General_Chaos wrote:but the rule book says that when attacks are resolved the IC is a separate single-model unit?

*page 49 for those playing along at home*

Correct. They've still assaulted that IC, regardless of whether or not they decide to allocate attacks to it.

And the defensive grenades apply when charging, not when attacks are resolved - or even declared.