Tau, Jetpack, Deepstrike, Assault move allowed?

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**TopC**

pg 27 in the tau codex states that it cant make the 6'' move, but does this include the assault movement, as long as your not actually assaulting a target??

**MasterSlowPoke**

The 6" movement it is referring to is the assault movement.

**TopC**

So just to clarify, tau suits get 0 movements after deep striking in?

**thebetter1**

TopC wrote:So just to clarify, tau suits get 0 movements after deep striking in?

They should be able to run.

**TopC**

So how would the flow of combat go for them?

1. Deep strike
2.?
3.?

**Jihallah**

TopC wrote:So how would the flow of combat go for them?

1. Deep strike
2.?
3.?

1) deepstrike- movement phase
2) shoot/run- shooting phase
3) Jetpack 6" move/can't assault the turn you deepstrike- Assault phase

-edit- i don't have the Tau codex and rarely play vs them. If the codex says they cannot make its 6" Jetpack move, or cannot move asides from running after deepstriking, then they deepstrike in the movement, and run/shoot in the shooting phase, and cannot assault. Someone who plays/has played Tau/is familiar with the codex should clarify

afaik

**TopC**

Well during the assault phase, you cant assault..but im trying to clarify if your allowed to move during the assault phase after a deepstrike, if so then the 6'' jet pack movement during this phase should be legal?

**InquisitorFabius**

The codex clearly states what they are allowed to do. This has been covered atleast 2 times in the last 2 months.

**TopC**

no offense, but if it were clear people wouldnt be asking. I know you cant move shoot after deep strike. i know you can shoot after deep strike. i know you cant assault a ENEMY after a deep strike, but if you still get your assault phase then its not clear if you can move during this phase or not.

**MasterSlowPoke**

It says it directly in the rules for the battlesuit, on the page you specified.

**coredump**

Go to page 27, read the entry about the Stealth and Crises suits; and then tell me it 'isn't clear'.

Seems pretty darn clear.

**TopC**

I'm the one that stated the page reference in question. Ive obviously read it. Please do not post on my thread if your going to be a arrogant A

Thank you and good day.

In response to master slow poke...

i keep re reading it.. guess its just that the Codex makes a general blanket statement about movement and not a defined one for all phases. But thank you for helping to clarify it for me

**insaniak**

TopC wrote: guess its just that the Codex makes a general blanket statement about movement and not a defined one for all phases.

It refers specifically to the '...additional 6" move..."

While it could certainly be worded better, since the assault phase move wasn't listed as an 'additional' movement even last edition when the codex was written, that's what it's referring to.

**VoxDei**

Tau Jet packs are "...always allowed to move 6" in the assault phase even if they do not assault..."

So the strict answer to the question is yes tau jet packs can move 6" after deep striking (they my not assault of course).

How ever the Tau codex deny's this ability to crisis suits and stealth suits. It does not deny this ability to all jet packs...only those two units. So for example gun drones may move 6" during the assault phase after deep striking

**TopC**

Thanks for clearing that up vox !

**VoxDei**

Ahh. But here is the question. Can Shadowsun move the extra 6 inches?

**Ridcully**

Of course. Otherwise she would have been able to deep strike in 4th edition.

**mikhaila**

"...always allowed to move 6" in the assault phase even if they do not assault..."

First part of that statement "...always allowed to move 6" in the assault phaseis still dependent on the second part of the statement. It does not override the rule that you may not assault after deepstriking.

**MasterSlowPoke**

No one is saying it allows you to assault?

**kirsanth**

As I read it, he is not saying that the assault cannot happen, but rather that since the assault cannot happen, the assault move may not either.
Many read it that way, iirc.

**Red_Lives**

Short answer: NO

Long Answer: Yes provided you are not attempting to make the assault move after deep striking with any unit that contains a stealth suit or a battle suit. (Xv-15, Xv-25, Xv-8)

**Horst**

yea, I had to look this up once, when an opponent deep struck a unit of crisis suits next to a rhino... blew up the rhino with a rail gun, killed 3 marines, and I failed my morale. I ran backwards 9", and would have regrouped... but if he could move, he could have forced me to keep running and most likely go off the table.

the answer we came up with is crisis suits and stealth suits cannot move after deepstriking unless forfeiting shooting by using run.

**Ridcully**

kirsanth wrote:As I read it, he is not saying that the assault cannot happen, but rather that since the assault cannot happen, the assault move may not either.
Many read it that way, iirc.

I would say it's nowhere near the majority though. Rather like people disallowing Jump-Run-Jump.

Red_Lives wrote:Short answer: NO

Long Answer: Yes provided you are not attempting to make the assault move after deep striking with any unit that contains a stealth suit or a battle suit. (Xv-15, Xv-25, Xv-8)

The first answer depends on you applying other suits' rules to it though, which wasn't done in the previous editions where it would have benefited her. I don't see why it can be done in this edition.

**TopC**

zomg so confusing lol!! does anyone know where to go to find an official ruling for this? Becuase ALWAYS allowed to make the additional 6'' move.. that wording to me would take precedence over the other. since the wording chosen was 'ALWAYS'.. just that you cant assault a target to get in CC, but allowed to make the assault move of 6''.

**coredump**

I stand by my assertion that it is obvious.

Jetpacks, in general, can make an assault move after deepstriking.

Tau Crises and Stealth suits, in specific, can *not* take their 'additional' assault move after deepstriking.

**Red_Lives**

Coredump is correct

**Ridcully**

TopC wrote:zomg so confusing lol!! does anyone know where to go to find an official ruling for this? Becuase ALWAYS allowed to make the additional 6'' move.. that wording to me would take precedence over the other. since the wording chosen was 'ALWAYS'.. just that you cant assault a target to get in CC, but allowed to make the assault move of 6''.

It has nothing to do with assaulting, so your ability to activate it isn't dependant on being able to assault. It's like saying a Jetpack can't move 6" away if there isn't an assaultable enemy within 6".