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I am going to be up against a Nid army in an 1800 point planetstrike game and i still need to build ny army up a bit. The nids I am fighting consist of: A zoanthrope, biovore, two carnifexes, hive tyrant, 64 gaunts, some genestealers and other units I am not sure of. My Black Templars are currently 1305 points strong and consist of:

HQ
Marshal 80 pts lightning claw 25 storm bolter 5 Admantine mantle 35 artificer 20 total 165
Reclusiarch 95 jump pack 20 total 115
Emperor's champion 90 Vows 50 total 140

Elites
Dreadnought 105 searchlight 5 smoke launcher 5 total 115

Troops
Crusader squad 160, missile 10, flamer 6, frag 10, total 186
Crusader squad 160, missile 10, plasma gun 6, frag 10, total 186

Fast attack
Assault 5man 110, power weapon 5, storm shield 3, plasma pistol 10, total 128

Heavy Support
Vindicator 125 armour 5 dozer 5 storm bolter 10 total 135
Vindicator 125 armour 5 dozer 5 storm bolter 10 total 135

i need some suggestions of units that i could use to fill the other 500 points.

What buildings do you have? Regardless, I'd add Rhinos for the Crusader squads, and I'd beef up the Assault squad, I'd add another Vindicator or two. Alternatively, you could give the Crusader squads Land Raider Crusaders and beef them up.

Nid's hate vehicles...even transports. Mech up and watch your opponent cry.

You should take two LRC's. Tyranids hate AV 14.

Seems like he another pie plate wouldn't be remiss, and ya transport, I'm vouching for razorbacks though.

another vindicator would be lovely.

you could also try terminators with two assault cannons. those rending rolls can always come in handy at a distance. or if you feel a little suicidal like i do you can run two flamers and deep strike them in and light them up. always fun but be prepared to lose the squad.

if you are against nids use template weapons with a desent ap like frag missiles


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Plasma cannon are good 2

i'm a bit weary to take plasma cannons because i don't want to lose a squad to an overheat.

I also got a bit of info on the enemy. the guy i'm versing loves carnifexes ansd spends a ton of points on them, but he gets his gaunts and stuff really cheap.

Also, are Predators good against nids?

Plenty of long ranged firepower should do the trick. Sternguard leaping out of a drop pod all wounding on 2's with rapid firing special ammo or combi meltas will hurt as well.

TMCs are best handled with plasmaguns for mobility and number of shots or lascannons at range. plasmacannons are not worth it against nids imo, best target you'll have will be a tyrant with guard which can be shot by MLs and PGs as well and firing s7 ap2 on gaunts is just a waste (and expensive with the BT dex)
Predators are valuable against nids, AC/HB to get rid of warriors or 4+ stealers or 3 lascan for MC hunting.

Firstly, your army isn't prepared to face Tyranids at all...in either a standard game or a planetstrike game. You definitely need more men. Your squads are equipped to much like a basic tactical squad. While having those types of units in a Templar army can be useful...ideally, you want them to be more focused on close combat than anything else. You took the vow to beef up the units in CC, take better advantage of that.

Here are my suggestions:

• Replace the heavy weapons in your squads with a PF. Yes it only gets 2 attacks on the charge, but you'll get more milage out of it since your squads should be better equipped to slug in out on CC.

• If you must field shooty squads, field them as 5 man squads. It will allow you more heavy weapons coverage on the table.

• Any assault crusader orientated squads should have a PF. Power weapons are useless vs. MCs. Vs. the gaunt hordes, weight of attacks is more important so everyone else should have BP/CCWs. Consider adding some Neophytes to act as meatshields/ cheaper means of allowing you to throw more attacks.

• Any assault orientated crusader squad should ideally be over 12 models. Get LRCs if you can.

• You need to pick a role for your assault marines. In this case, you know your opponent ahead of time, so their role will be more crowd control/ counter assault. I'd field at least an 8 man squad and have 2 flamers in it. Any other upgrades is your choice. I'd definitely stay away from plasma pistols though. Not worth the points. Stormshields are the best upgrade besides meltabombs. 25% of your squad should have Stormshields if you decide to take them.

• I'd give your Marshal 2 LC's and termie honors instead of the storm bolter. Drop the Mantle. Implant attack nids trump your mantle. Better to make your Marshal a killing guy rather than a tough guy. If you have the points take the Halo and Artificer...but only if you have the points.

• If you have points make your Dread a Venerable, give it a Heavy Flamer, and extra armor. You may consider making it a shooting platform as well. AC/ ML is the best load out vs. bugs IMHO.

• Assault terminators would be a huge boost to your list.

Just my .02

Is the Land Raider Redeemer ever useful in any list? If there was a time to field one I would say this is it isnt it? AP3 template weapons. That thing would wound MC's that don't have the reinforced chitin or whatever that biomorph is. Do Black Templars get counter-attack in any way? That would seem useful on your all melee squads that are going to be taking on hordes of gaunts.

Well that's my random (hopefully worthy) input.

The main reason I don't have enough CC weapons was because i'm using marines from my old Raven guard army which I have circumstantially disbanded. I was goung to get a battleforce and some upgrade sprues to reprimand the flaw of lack of CC.

I have found out that my friends have made the game apocalyptic, so i'll be versing Orks and Eldar as well. I will be on a team with some codex marines and some IG.

Also, would bikes with power axes be of any use?

Templars can't take Land Raider Redeemers. Templars can get access to Counter-Attack if you take Sword Bretheren or Command Squads. However, with those units, you are better off taking Furious Charge instead...way more useful than Counter-Attack.

Koski wrote:Is the Land Raider Redeemer ever useful in any list? If there was a time to field one I would say this is it isnt it? AP3 template weapons. That thing would wound MC's that don't have the reinforced chitin or whatever that biomorph is. Do Black Templars get counter-attack in any way? That would seem useful on your all melee squads that are going to be taking on hordes of gaunts.

Well that's my random (hopefully worthy) input.

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The main reason I don't have enough CC weapons was because i'm using marines from my old Raven guard army which I have circumstantially disbanded. I was goung to get a battleforce and some upgrade sprues to reprimand the flaw of lack of CC.

That's good. Trade, Buy, Scrape for any BP/ CCWs arms you can get.

I have found out that my friends have made the game apocalyptic, so i'll be versing Orks and Eldar as well. I will be on a team with some codex marines and some IG.

Cool. Look into some formations then. Formations will help you greatly.

Also, would bikes with power axes be of any use?

Bikes have their uses, but aren't really an ideal choice. If you are playing an APOC game, you might as well put them in your list. However, you'd be better served with putting meltaguns in that squad.

Cool. Look into some formations then. Formations will help you greatly.

Do you know of any? The one that I used to love is the vindicator linebreaker squadron, bit i'm not sure if it's around anymore because i can't find the datasheet.


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Also, considering it's APOC, I can have IG tanks can't I?

what vow are you using? I'd consider using the +1 str -1 I vow against nids... because against gaunts, it doubles your chances of wounding them. against stealers, its a wash... against fexes/tyrants, it again doubles your odds of wounding them.

your base I4... most things that nids have that are good in CC are better I anyway, so that doesn't matter... as for re-roll to hit, it acutally gives your chaplain a purpose... i'd suggest dropping the marshal for a second chappy in fact.

I'd also throw in a venerable dread with an assault cannon. good against everything.

I was going to use that vow but there are a couple of others that would be useful. like the preferred enemy one or the one that grants a special save againt psykers, because there is a psyker for each of the enemy armieis I am up against.



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How much good are Venerable dreads?