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Need some insight and opinions regarding a list im planning to order (ive looked to try and mix the themes of and , even a little . Im new to the game, but have been a fan of the figures and the stories behind each army. Thought i have a go at the gaming so heres my list least what ive got planned to order:

HQ

Eldrad Ulthran with Warlock body guard (3 warlocks)
Baharoth (for the sake of having him)

Troops

Rangers (5 units)
Rangers (5 units)
Dire avengers (10 include exarch)
Guardian (10 include D cannon)

Elites

Harliquin troupe (death jester, shadow seer and troupe leader; 8 units)
Fire Dragon (6 units include exarch)
Wraith guards (5 units)
Warith guards (5 units)

Fast attack

Swooping hawks (6 units include exarch)

Heavy support

Reapers (5 units include exarch)
Falcon (2 units)
Fire Prism (2 units)

This list (in white) is what im ordering.
Ive planned to place the dragons and the harlies in transports to get them in for CC whilst the reapers and ranger do their job and pinning and just being annoying. same for the hawks, just a unit to draw fire and do some damage if possible. otherwise they are just kinda cool to have on the table. note: squad of dire avengers, guardians with a D cannon, and wraithguard squad of i think 10 units will be next; ive highlighted the units in yellow to show which will come next.

Anythoughts? i am deliberating the choice of replacing baharroth with fuegan, an autarch or Yriel though i dont fully understand the difference between the lot and how to use them. also the use of the harlie instead of a standard banshee or scorpion squad with exarch. Any ideas, suggestions fron one eldar player to another?

otherwise im pretty set on including eldrad and a warlock body guard, ive always loved the psychic aspect of the eldar

Swooping hawks are crap imo as are reapers. phoenix lords are too expensive for what they do but yriel is pretty good

agreed the pheonix lords are too expensive for what they are worth so yriel would be the better bet.
though ive heard mixed opinions bout the reapers and hawks, though i would reckon the rangers do a better job

I gotta say I don't like rangers either. They can take a lot though they die fast to flamers but they're overall damage isn't that impressive since they're shots only wound half the time and their AP sucks.
You can't take a D cannon with guardians. That's a separate heavy support choice and not a part of the weapon platform's options.
Give your wraithguards a spirit seer so they'll count as troops and be able to hold objectives.
Give your dragons a serpent instead of a falcon since they're better as a taxi and if you take 2 prisms then you can only take one falcon.
reapers are only good in cover with a farseer dooming and fortuning and even then they're kind of meh.
How many points is that?

points wise its bout 1000 if not over. bout the d cannon guess ill get that separate and give the guardians a weapons platfom think the shuriken cannon or scatter laser.

I ve read that for the spirit seer, though i thought it counts as simply being with in 6' to a friendly warlock or farseer (correct me if im wrong i dont have my codex open at the mo)

What would be a good CC option? right now im goin for a harliquin troups with shadow seer and troupe leader, though ive not heard good thing bout them. My other options are the banshees and the scorpions though i hear the scorpions are the better choice.

anythoughts on that? ill post up a revised list soon see what changes still need to be made.

cheers


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Revised List

HQ

Eldrad Ulthran with warlock body guard/seer coucil (3 warlocks possibly additional farseer)
Autarch (fusion gun, mandiblaster, chainsword)

Troops

Rangers (5 units)
Wraith Guard (5 units + spirit seer)
Wraith Guard (5 units + spirit seer)

Elites

Harliquin troupe (shadow seer; troupe leader; harliquins kiss x2; fusion pistol x 2)
Dragons (6 units and exarch)
Scorpion Squad (6 units and exarch)

Heavy Support

Reaper (5 units; exarch crack shot; fortune;doom)
Fire Prism
Falcon (2 units)

Fast attack

Hawks (6 untis; exarch)

Heres the newly revised list, the changes ive highlighted in red (still means ill be ordering these units after the ones in white come) but this is the new army list.
point wise i think they come to about 1400 points. The store where i play has a set of dire avengers so ill be including them in my army when ever i get the chance to start playing, so all in all i think it'll come to about 2000 points all together but for sure no more than that.

what you think?

i do admit i am still debating the harlies. if they really are worth having in a army, right now im including them since they look good. but them vs the banshees. which would be the better choice?

To count as a troops choice, the wraithguard units need 10 to a squad as well as a spiritseer, rangers have there good times, they just need to be smartly placed. 3 Warlock bodyguards just are not worth it, they get pummeled. Dragons that walk get toasted from enemy fire due to their melta guns. Not worth keeping the HQ back just to fortune the dark reapers, get more kisses in that harlequin squad. The Fire prisms are alright, if you're taking one, you might as well take two. The fast attack are O.K.. Scorpions are o.k. but keep them against weak enemies, don't go chaging tactical squads with 6 of 'em! I don't know if know this but: 2 Hq MAX, 3 Elite MAX, 6 Troops MAX, 3 Fast Attack MAX, and 3 Heavy Support MAX. If you do, sorry, and if you didn't know this, you might want to look through your book a few more times...

You cannot take 2 falcons if you already have a prism and reapers. They don't come in squadrons.
Take 2 prisms and use serpents for transporting.
Again, Reapers...meh. Hawks...double meh.
6 jetbikes cost the same as 6 hawks and they're troops.
Serpent for the dragons is a must.

But, hawks > jetbikes... Anyway, dark reapers can be good, I personally wouldn't get hawks or jetbikes...

Why are hawks better then jet bikes again.

Your list is going in too many directions and not doing anything well.

Give us an idea of how you want to play and what units you want to use. In turn, help and direction can be offered.

IMO your trying to do way too many playstyles with one army. There isn't any real synergy going on with this list. You need to get a feel for what you would like this army to do rather then take units that people think are good.

Hawks are good, but how do you plan to use them?

Reapers can work, but what is guarding them? Not taking an exarch weapon?

Wraithguard are only troop if they are in units of 10

With the wraith in a unit of 10 you only have 2 troops choices, not good.

Harliquins can work well, but what is their purpose in your list? Troupe leader is just an overpriced +1 attack honestly. Also a shadowseer if your planning to put them in a transport is not worth it's cost.

Dragons unit of 6 w/ Exarch, why take the exarch?

Scorpion squad of 6 w/ exarch, in CC you'll want a full 10.

Falcons are aweful, overpriced and BS3 makes their firing unreliable.

A single Fire prism is aweful, scatter will make it aweful and a single prism is a sittin duck.

Pheonix Lords = too costly



You need to take a deep look at what you want the army to do and how they will do it. Eldar are a specialist army so if a unit isn't going in with a specific purpose your going to fall flat.

Here is a bit of a guideline to help you...

Farseer/Eldrad - either council with transport/jetbikes or attach it to a unit the powers are giogn to work with.
Autarch - Gear it for what unit it will be going with, (IE fusion blaster on a infantry hunting scorps = not good)
Reapers - Missle launcher/Fast Shot for vehicle hunting or Tempest/Crack Shot for Space marine hunting
Rangers - Go in with a purpose, more then one unit usually isn't great unless your group plays with a lot of terrain. they need to stay in cover or they go squish.
Dire Avengers - Good swarm shot and cheap min unit size. Set them up with what you have in mind. Do not march them on foot.
Guardians - Cant' take artilary, their platform is heavy weapons. Either Brightlance/Missle Launcher for tank hunting or Scatter laser for anti-troop. At BS3 their aren't reliable so don't bank on them.
Harlequins - Seer and 5-9 normal on foot or 6-10 normal in a vehicle. If they don't have a specific role in your plan then they typically end up being more pricey then something that is set to do their job.
Fire Dragon - Must be in a transport. Period.
Wraithguard - Tough as nails troop but very pricey. These are also VERY expensive money wise so don't invest till you know you want um.
Swooping Hawks - Either 4 w/ Exarch skyleap for yo-yo bombing till end game or... don't take them. If you plan to keep them on the field they will get squished very easily unless you have a lot of higher priority targets. Using them as a distration will mean a waste of 132pts minimum.
Falcon - Only viable setup I have seen is Farseer w/ guide inside casting on the tank and missile launcher. Typically too pricey, just pick up a fire prism for more death.
Fire Prism - 2 minimum if you bring them, keep them at range with no upgrades.

Wow thanks loads. anyway i must explain the list ive posted is really just an idea. Ive been such a fan of the aspect warriors and the idea of the farseers that i wanted to include as man as i can lol sadly i wasnt thinking bout how to play. Honestly ive never played a game in my life.
one good thing though, the place ill be playing at has a set of dire avenger, guardians and falcons or serpent im not sure (x2) that i can 'borrow' when i ever i choose to play a game.

So as for direction im not sure. otherwise these are what i want to add to the units above:

Eldrad and the coucil is a must, i cant be without this part of the eldar (personal fav)
Autarch (mandiblaster; Fusion gun; chainsword)

Troops

Rangers (5 units)
Rangers (5 units)

Elites

Scorpions (6 units; exarch; shadowstrike; stalker)
Harliquins (8 units; shadowseer; troupe master; harliquins kiss)
Dragons (6 units; exarch; tank hunter)

Fast attack

Hawks (6 units; exarch; skyleap)


though i have a feeling this army is aimed towards dealing with infantry, rather than a mek army which would be a problem. I thought bout using the DAs in an offensive position, giving them a transport. The dragons would be in a transport as well.
the reapers as heavy long range support behind the rangers whch in turn provide cover for the council behind the guardians with a heavy weapons platform like a bright lance or scatter laser.

the hawks will yoyo bomb what ever they can for as long as they last. the dragons in their transport go for any high armoured units, jump out and hopfully last long enough to do some damage, the harlies on foot with the shadow seer for foremost infantry, scorpions moving though cover to flank.
the autarch on the other hand i think would join the dragons. either that or ill replace him with kandaras so that the scorpions can benefit from his powers (stealth and so on)

Im not even sure bout the direction of this list. Need to get a feel for the game first then i guess ill be able to pick a direction for my army. right now im just trying to build it. only problem is ive gotta order them from the website and that can get a little expensive if you know what i mean. there arent any GW stores here


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Heavy support

Reapers (5 units; exarch; tempest launcher; crack shot)

Avalon wrote:Wow thanks loads. anyway i must explain the list ive posted is really just an idea. Ive been such a fan of the aspect warriors and the idea of the farseers that i wanted to include as man as i can lol sadly i wasnt thinking bout how to play. Honestly ive never played a game in my life.
one good thing though, the place ill be playing at has a set of dire avenger, guardians and falcons or serpent im not sure (x2) that i can 'borrow' when i ever i choose to play a game.

So as for direction im not sure. otherwise these are what i want to add to the units above:

Eldrad and the coucil is a must, i cant be without this part of the eldar (personal fav)
Autarch (mandiblaster; Fusion gun; chainsword)

Troops

Rangers (5 units)
Rangers (5 units)

Elites

Scorpions (6 units; exarch; shadowstrike; stalker)
Harliquins (8 units; shadowseer; troupe master; harliquins kiss)
Dragons (6 units; exarch; tank hunter)

Fast attack

Hawks (6 units; exarch; skyleap)


though i have a feeling this army is aimed towards dealing with infantry, rather than a mek army which would be a problem. I thought bout using the DAs in an offensive position, giving them a transport. The dragons would be in a transport as well.
the reapers as heavy long range support behind the rangers whch in turn provide cover for the council behind the guardians with a heavy weapons platform like a bright lance or scatter laser.

the hawks will yoyo bomb what ever they can for as long as they last. the dragons in their transport go for any high armoured units, jump out and hopfully last long enough to do some damage, the harlies on foot with the shadow seer for foremost infantry, scorpions moving though cover to flank.
the autarch on the other hand i think would join the dragons. either that or ill replace him with kandaras so that the scorpions can benefit from his powers (stealth and so on)

Im not even sure bout the direction of this list. Need to get a feel for the game first then i guess ill be able to pick a direction for my army. right now im just trying to build it. only problem is ive gotta order them from the website and that can get a little expensive if you know what i mean. there arent any GW stores here

K if you have your heart set on using these units then you'll want to change tactics a bit.


DAs put in a serpent with a bladestorm exarch. Give the serpent missles or a bright lance for some range Anti-Tank.

Dragons go after the toughest thing on the board, expect them to die a horrible death afterward (if not before).

Reapers deploy into cover near a objective with tempest launcher and crack shot. Bomb anything with Ap3 of higher in range.

Rangers infiltrate into cover near an objective. With them being your only two troops atm you may want to upgrade to pathfinders.

Guardians need to be in the very back walking behind defense, as you only need loose 3 of them and your taking leadership tests... which they are very prone to failing.

Seer council get it out there in front, pop fortune and soak up the shots so the rest of you army isn't.

Harlies walk up the field very near your seer council to back them up.

Autarch, if you playing with folks that don't have a problem with proxying gear give him Swooping hawk wings. Toss him in with the hawk and now you have the ability to DS in a fusion gun in on a tank on nearly any round you care to.

Scorpions, outflank. You have a +1 to reserves and they can devastate an unexpecting opponent.


Play a few matches and you'll get a feel for how these different units play. 2+ Serpents is practically a must if your planning on a lot of Aspect warriors.


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Avalon wrote:
Im not even sure bout the direction of this list. Need to get a feel for the game first then i guess ill be able to pick a direction for my army. right now im just trying to build it. only problem is ive gotta order them from the website and that can get a little expensive if you know what i mean. there arent any GW stores here

Oh and don't buy direct from GW, Ebay is your friend.

Along with this list i should have a squad of 10 dire avengers and guardians i can 'borrow' from the club to play with when i get my models in, so i would have four troop choices, and i think a couple heavy weapons platforms for the guardians.

Otherwise i cant help but really want to have the aspect warriors. Thought i do wonder bout the difference between having a harliequin troupe vs. a banshee squad. The only thing im basing my choice of the harlie on at the moment is the fact that the shadow seer makes it harder to hit them and the banshees need a transport otherwise they'll get picked off by other shooty units.

All said, im pretty set with the list, think ill add karandras just to add variety for HQ and some more bite for the scorpions
all i have to do now is wait for bout 3-4 weeks for them to arrive

Thanks again for the help, if theres more that can be said please do.
Cheers


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Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:But, hawks > jetbikes... Anyway, dark reapers can be good, I personally wouldn't get hawks or jetbikes...

hawks ive heard the lecture why, though i dont agree...but jet bikes? why not?