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Recently seen these guys popping up in alot of lists and they have become pretty popular.
Also, thier hefty £50 price tag seems to show they make GW some nice proffit.

I was wondering how well the unit worked.
Never seen the VC book (dont play them) and ive never had to play against blood knights either.
They seem pretty points heavy from looking at lists, are they really that good?

Well, given that most of the VC list is pretty weak, a hard-hitting unit of cavalry gives them a fast-moving hammer to go with their core unit tarpits. That might be the main reason right there. That and they count as vampires, which has some sort of benefit for the units around it...

Ah, so they are there more to boost units around them?
I take it they can hold thier own though.

More than hold thier own, they are the hardest knights in the game, only downside is frenzy gets them easily baited. (oh and a hefty points/price tag for minis that are an ass to put together)

But the lil devils have frenzy, ive never had Blood knights hit home into an important unit, and ive come across them more than a dozen times. They are the best cav in the game i think , but really easy to deal with.

Blood Knights are great because you can re-summon them, mainly. No other army can do this.

Frenzy for Blood Knights is easy control to a degree. A cheap screen of Dire Wolves should fix that up.

However, if you can destroy the entire Blood Knight unit, then they're somewhat pointless.

Dire wolves are real fragile, i would bet a opponent would shoot em away and screw the blood knights. better to go with bats.

Or using vanhels to get em where you need em...

That works, but im always looking for that trick. i make sure becasue of how powerfull they are that the bloodknights are just plain stoped . ive seen what they can do to a unit, so they are top priority to missdirect and leave out in the middle of no where. (not hard against skaven.

Well first off, vampire knights do not have to worry about the general being close to them, or having a vampire unit nearby, because they are vampires. Secondly, each individual Blood Knight has 3 attacks, on the charge S 7. So with a unit of 5 of them, if you include a kastellen, that is 16 S 7 attacks. Plus because if your rider is frenzied, so is the mount, you also get 10 S 4 attacks from their horses. The kastellen can have a magic weapon if you want up to 25 pts. They can also get a magic banner up to 75pts. One of which is a banner made specifically for them, which gives everyone a 4+ ward save versus all missile fire.

Only Rhinox Riders can match/exceed? the damage that Blood Knights can enact.

They are 2 attacks each, but they are still devestating, that's for sure.

Greets
Schepp himself

2 attack each base, but then they're frenzy on top of that for a third.

Player-A wrote:2 attack each base, but then they're frenzy on top of that for a third.

Damn then my post was smart-assy and stupid!
Apologies, I should have had my facts straight.

Greets
Schepp himself

Blood Knights are Strength 7 on the charge, S 5 when they aren't, and are T 4 with a 2+ Armour Save. Attach a Wight King with the Regeneration banner, and the unit becomes even tougher!

Yup, hard to kill at around 1000 points all decked out.
2+ AS, 4+WS against shooting, + regeneration. add in the fact that you can heal em, and the hit like a freight train.

Never let this near your lines.... you'll be sorrrrrry

Yup, hard to kill at around 1000 points all decked out.
2+ AS, 4+WS against shooting, + regeneration. add in the fact that you can heal em, and the hit like a freight train.

Never let this near your lines.... you'll be sorrrrrry

Yup, hard to kill at around 1000 points all decked out.
2+ AS, 4+WS against shooting, + regeneration. add in the fact that you can heal em, and the hit like a freight train.

Never let this near your lines.... you'll be sorrrrrry

During 'Ard Boyz I used a unit of Cairn Wraiths to screen my blood knights and I never failed to get them where I wanted them.

Of course the cairn wraith "screen" cost more then the knights, but they rarely had act in that capacity for a turn or two before going off on there own and reeking havoc! Also not sure that this is a viable tactic in lower points games.

Well they have 5 attacks a model, 3 at S7 on charge. However, they are susceptible to baiting from frenzy, they will get shot to pieces by frightened opponents, and they cost a lot. Also, you should stop and think whenever you send them in as a hammer when the enemy is tarpitted with core troops, because you might get CR-bombed if the opponent can do enough damage to the weak troops.

I prefer wraiths and a Varghulf.

Beyond the simply fact of their ridic high strength on both the charge and in any further round (Str 7 then Str 5), the big deal about blood knights imo is their ability to ignore most handicaps of the VC army.

They are vampires themselves, so they never crumble for a dead general and they are always able to march (as long as not march blocked by an enemy unit). You can add a hero/champ or w/e and have the ability to resurrect fallen blood knights AND can take a banner to give them regenerate.

While they are capped at 5 a unit, and are VERY expensive both point and $$$ wise per model...they are devastating if you can avoid the baiting. And VC has bats, wolves, etc to do that.

Also vanhels dance makes them even more OP. You can get extra moves/charges in OR you can give them always strikes first or something. I think the blood knights also have hatred and reroll hits, though they don't miss often.

They're not capped at 5... and they don't have hatred, but they can take a banner that gives it to them. Though they will then not have the 4+ ward save banner barring a BSB joining them.

I would think 2 units of 6 would be just devastating, One unit with Ward Save banner other with Regen.

Add BSB's when necessary.

The ability to bring back heavy cav is their best ability. I can't count the number of times I've killed them down to 1 or 2 models, only to have them back at full strength the next turn.

I had a 1000 point game where I killed 11 blood knights out of a 5 man unit. (go ratling guns and jezzails) And the unit was still there at the end of the game.

So basically they are sick, one of the sickest units in the game, and the Vampire spells help them do their job. but they do have drawbacks if you can exploit them.

If they're anything like Khorne Knights (and they are), the Frenzy can be a huge liability. Screens get dealt with, then they get into unfavourable positions; either chasing light cav for the entire game or end up being charged by something that can deal with their T4 2+ save.

The main difference is, if you don't wipe them out they come back.

The unit size is 4-20 according to the GW website.

Cryonicleech wrote:I would think 2 units of 6 would be just devastating, One unit with Ward Save banner other with Regen.

Add BSB's when necessary.

... A unit of 8 with an attached BSB for Ward-Banner in addition to Regen?

Also, a Vampire with a Blooddrinker and Infinite Hatred with the unit is also really nasty. If you do drop a couple, he comes in and they get right back up without even having to cast at them.

A lot of people only use them in bigger games (3,000pts ish), as there is so much more for them to plough through, and being distracted by something will just end up finding even more troops to smash, and there are more troops that your enemy needs to deal with. In 2000 they can get isolated more easily.

Also, if you don't want to spend £50, i'm going to use Chaos Knights, and GS vampire heads and less Chaosey stuff.

It wrote:Also, if you don't want to spend £50, i'm going to use Chaos Knights, and GS vampire heads and less Chaosey stuff.

My friend uses Chaos Knights and puts skeletons on them and puts bits of plasticard, or spare armour on them and then makes capes and horsey capes out of green stuff. They look really good and are a lot cheaper.