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The one thing I really wanted to see was what, exactly, was the target of the C&D? Was it scans of rules and stuff from older games, or images of fans playing the games, FAQ's or what? Neither link addresses what exactly was the content that was requested to be removed. Is there a scan of the C&D?

I'm just looking for hard facts and abjectly not trying to rekindle the pooslinging from the other thread, and I apologize in advance if it was inappropriate of me to post this.

...If you have to ask "why did they get a C&D for scans of rules and stuff from older games", you've already lost.

From what i can gather, the C&D was for any and all illegal scans of rules and rules summerys and the like, and the fan-made stuff (art work, home brew rules and the like) where just victims of the order as everything had to go, now i can understand the issue on the illegal stuff, but i belive the fan made stuff (providing it was down in the same format that GW use's) should have stayed

fynn wrote:From what i can gather, the C&D was for any and all illegal scans of rules and rules summerys and the like, and the fan-made stuff (art work, home brew rules and the like) where just victims of the order as everything had to go, now i can understand the issue on the illegal stuff, but i belive the fan made stuff (providing it was down in the same format that GW use's) should have stayed

Well, see, the thing about the fanmade stuff and how GW wants it done is this:

We don't know if the fanmade material was a flatout reprint of existing rules, just with the new stuff tacked in...or something completely separate.
It's stated that if you want to post fanmade material, that's fine and dandy. But it must be properly credited as "unofficial rules/addons based upon the XXX property by Games Workshop", or something to that effect. That material cannot use the standard layout of a codex/rulebook(to prevent you trying to pass it off as "official" Games Workshop material, and trying to charge people to access it) and it cannot reprint existing GW material(rulebooks, artwork, etc.)

Kanluwen wrote:...If you have to ask "why did they get a C&D for scans of rules and stuff from older games", you've already lost.

But, that's not what I asked. I'd fully understand if that was the problem, but was that the case?

So your question is really:
"I know BGG was doing something illegal, and I wonder if the C&D was about that or about something else?"
Huh.

lord_blackfang wrote:So your question is really:
"I know BGG was doing something illegal, and I wonder if the C&D was about that or about something else?"
Huh.

No, my question is exactly what I posted. Your paraphrasing implies I possess exactly the knowledge of which I am seeking - my musings of things that would have been a problem is just that, musings: I've only been to BGG a couple of times on the advice of a co-worker, so certainly if they had been hosting such, I may simply have not come across it in my limited perusings. Did they host that sort of thing (scans of old material)? If so, then it's pretty clear that was the problem.

BGG?

Boardgamegeek

shouldn't this be in discussions? we've already had several threads announcing this (heck, there's even a closed one about this a few slots down here on the front page) and this is just asking for details, not actually giving anything close to news or rumors.

Good point.

I'll move it now.

BGG had a large and varied amount of material on it that violated GW IP. It wasn't any one file that was singled out. The C and D detailed what types of materials would violate their IP, and what they couldn't/shouldn't have on the site.

Some of it was scans of old games and rules, some of it was fanmade add ons that might have reprinted rules imbedded in it. Lots of pictures that probably shouldnt' have been there, and a ton of stuff that wasn't properly attributed to GW in the way it should have.

Hard facts will not be forthcoming from anyone, since it is posing the question of "What isn't there now, that used to be there?" Research done now can't show that, unless you had one hell of a lot of knowledge of everthing that was there. The guy at BGG that had to delete files might know, but it's not like they are going to post up a list of just what they took off the site.

They claimed it was because BGG violated their IP.

It was more likely because a lot of those old games were really fething TERRIBLE and GW rightly doesn't want to be associated with them anymore.

I mean seriously, some of those games made 3rd edition 40K look like the pinnacle of hobby gaming.

Howlingmoon wrote:They claimed it was because BGG violated their IP.

It was more likely because a lot of those old games were really fething TERRIBLE and GW rightly doesn't want to be associated with them anymore.

I mean seriously, some of those games made 3rd edition 40K look like the pinnacle of hobby gaming.

Ashamed of their past? The present has much more reasons to be ashamed about... What's the problem of people enjoying old games and making comunities around them? why the need to impose limitations and claim rights on a long dead and burried game?
I know I know its their legal right and their game... bad judgement though and It will backfire on them much worse than they antecipated.

Howlingmoon wrote:They claimed it was because BGG violated their IP.

It was more likely because a lot of those old games were really fething TERRIBLE and GW rightly doesn't want to be associated with them anymore.

I mean seriously, some of those games made 3rd edition 40K look like the pinnacle of hobby gaming.

Then by that logic, no one is going to miss them, and they did BGG a favor by taking the bad, bad games away.)

This thread had a promising start; stop trying to get it back on topic! I want to keep reading people with bad reading comprehension try to bash the OP.