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My question is do defensive grenades negate the counter attack assault bonus?

eg. Daemonettes vs Space wolves

and another question:

Rending claws in the Chaos Demons Codex says they are treated as a pair of CCW that add extra attack.(already included in profile)
would DE wych weapons negate extra attack for having two CCW

Not sure if this has been asked before sorry if it has.

I don't know about the DE too much since they are so outdated but always remember codex>rulebook so whatever the codex says they do, that is what they do (ex. Grotesques "feel no pain" ).

For counter attack question I would say no.

On BGB 36: Models ASSAULTING against units equipped with defensive grenades gain no Assault Bonus attacks. (Emphasis mine - No mention of counter attack)

On BGB 74 counter-attack 2nd paragraph last sentence. ". . . exactly AS IF they had assaulted. (emphasis mine) To me this seems to be a direct notion that they are not assaulting, they are just being treated like they had & as such the grenades would not work.

As far as Wyches go - darn tootin' we negate that bonus attack. Wych Weapons negate additional attacks from extra weapons. If their profile is giving them an additional swing for an additional CCW then Wych Weapons nerf it.

Awesome. thanks for the response.

Shas'O Dorian wrote:On BGB 36: Models ASSAULTING against units equipped with defensive grenades gain no Assault Bonus attacks. (Emphasis mine - No mention of counter attack)

On BGB 74 counter-attack 2nd paragraph last sentence. ". . . exactly AS IF they had assaulted. (emphasis mine) To me this seems to be a direct notion that they are not assaulting, they are just being treated like they had & as such the grenades would not work.

Pg 74 actually says;

"...all models in the unit get the +1 assault bonus to their attacks, exactly as if they too had assaulted that turn."

So they are getting the "assault bonus" as if they had assaulted that turn. Methinks that puts the defensive grenades question very much into a gray area depending on how you choose to define what constitutes an 'assaulting unit' and where one puts the emphasis on the words. After all, 'exactly' is as much a part of that sentence as 'as if' and they are getting the specific type of bonus attack that defensive grenades target.

I'd talk it over with your opponent beforehand or discuss with a TO before any tourney.

I submit because they get the bonus exactly as if they had assaulted they count as assaulting and would surmise defensive grenades would affect it.

They would count as having assaulted with regard to the extra attack, but not as having assaulted in other respects (such as Furious Charge).