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vulken he'sten 190

assault terminators 200
3 TH/SS
2 CL

landraider for termies and vulken 250

tac squad with 10 men 90
mm
flamer
power fist 25
rhino35



tac squad with 10 men 90
mm
flamer
power fist 25
rhino35


scouts 75
4 sniper rifles
missle luncher 10

vindicator 115

terminators 200





so the idea is my assult termis are the hammer while the regular termis are fire magnets that walk across the board. the vindicator is support for the termis and marines the scouts hold objectives and a MC hunters what do you think

" K well, I'm going to pay 200 pts for a unit that is just meant to die"

What?

well i had 200 or so points and nothing else to use it on i have limeted modles like i threw around the idea of a third tac squad but i thought those would be good. i mean if they make it sweet f*ck you sh*t up but if not i mean they took 2 turns of fire and i hopfuly have your major threat in combat or dead from my hammer

Oh, thanks for insulting me. It really lowered my self-a-steam, I'm going to go cut myself and cry.

Personal attacks? Really?

I didn't mean to insult you, but if I was facing you, I wouldn't even pay attention to the 200 points you wasted.

Are you excepting people to be dumb as hell and pay attention to your termis?

Let me fix your statement, as of what it should be.

"Well, I had 200 points or so and nothing else to use it on. I have limited models, though. I threw around the idea of a third tac squad, but I thought those would be good ( I dunno what the hell you meant by this, you thought it would be good, then why didn't you pick them?) I mean, if they make it sweet, if not, flakk you and shut up. They WON'T take two turns of fire, and I hopefully have a major threat in combat or dead from my hammer."

Your statement was so random and incoherent I was confused at what you we're actually saying.

How did they take two turns of fire (note, 5 terminators, only 5) and get into combat, at on average going 3-4" PER TURN.

See, what you could have said in the last "sentence" is this.

" I mean, I agree they won't make it, and now realize that nobody will even give them a second of their time. So, what do you think about deepstriking them?

I mean honestly. Come on.

wait i didn't mean to insult you the whole "f*ck your sh*t up" part is what i would hope there terminators would do once they get to where they were going sorry if you took it as a personal attack


as for the turn 2 combat it would be ther terminators in the raider that would be in combat and i am assuming that a 2+5++ could last 2 turns and if they were ignored that would be fine for me cuz then they will be on your side of the field and destroying stuff

and if you haven't noticed i have deplorable spelling and grammar so sorry for that and please try and tolerate it for i do appropriate your input


FYI the sh*t the * isnt a you it should be and i

I'm just saying mate, you need to either deepstrike that one termy squad, or not take it.

At an average of 3-4" per turn, they won't do ANYTHING.

I myself apologize, I got a bit carried away at you, I just wanted to point out to you that those w/ slow and purposeful, cannot footslog.

I suggest practicing you spelling a bit, or people will mistake what you say quite often, it goes a long way.

That wasnt a personal attack. He was talking about his terminators doing damage to your stuff. He just missed an 'r' off your and lack of punctuation made it harder to decipher. I mean at the very least the word shut doesnt require an *, so you can assume that hes using a word that the mods would rather us not use (this being a family site and all), in which case the context is about his terminators.

Onto the list...

You should have all TH/SS on your assault terminators. They are rediculously good by themselves, let alone with vulkan. With 3+ inv saves they will survive pretty much anything that your opponents can throw at them and then do an insane amount of damage in return. Those LCs dont really add anything to the squad. I also thing that a redemer or crusader would suit your assault terminators more than the 'godhammer' pattern, since you'll want to be advancing it.

The scouts look out of place. I see what you're trying to do with them but I'm not sure it will be worth it. Even with them hiding in cover, it doesnt take much fire to kill 5 T4 guys with only a 4+ save. I think the points would be better spent on something else.

Your vindicator doesnt really synergise with the rest of your army. Yes a S10 5" blast is good but I dont really see what it does that couldnt be accomplished by the rest of your army. I think dropping it is a good idea.

Those footslogging terminators really do need to go. Without any special weapons they have no threat range, and if they are only footslogging they will just be ignored because the amount of firepower they can put out is so low its not worth the effort shooting at them. They are good in combat but they will either be charged by things that will kill them or outmanuvered. They arent worth 200pts considering what the rest of your army is like.

So if you drop all of those things you're left with 400pts, which is a lot. Now what you really want are choices that gel nicely with your army. That is things that can take advantage of vulkan. I think you should take another tactical squad with flamer/MM in a rhino. I dont think a powerfist will be strictly necessary but you may want to include one for the sake of redundancy. So that leaves you with 170-195pts.

Now you basically have two choices. Since another squad of assault terminators is out of your price range, the only other things that are good for your army are bikes/attack bikes and landspeeders. Bikes are good because you can have two special weapons, a multi-melta on an attack bike and an extra powerfist thats very fast if you want it. A squad of just attack bikes with multi-meltas are give you an exellent anti-tank/MC unit that can use its speed to stay out of too much trouble. If you have three with multi-meltas then youll have an extra 20pts to spend on combi-meltas for your tactical squads. Landspeeders give you a nice little trick. Since they are fast and can deepstrike they can use one of their guns of the turn they come in. Then equipping them with a HF and a MM gives you the ability to either wreck an infantry squad or a vehicle. unfortunately they are expensive, so you'll only be able to afford 2 unless you can scrape another 15pts from somewhere. You could always run them with just one weapon, but it seems like a waste.

Please note that i havent take into account your model availability, since you havent told us and I'm not psychic. What I've suggested will make your list more powerful, and since you havent stated what your aiming for, I can only assume this is what you want.

thank you for your help i greatly appreciate it. i didn't put up my model list for i wanted unrestrained help ( help without the restraints) of what i might or might not have