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If the vortex grenade hits a transport are the models inside the transport automatically removed at the same time as the transport model?

The vehicle is removed ... since there is nowhere to disembark from, many people agree that what ever was being transported cannot disembark and counts as destroyed.

It's Apocalypse so ultimately the players need to decide on it. The basic rulebook says nothing about what happens if a transport is "removed from the game" instead of wrecked/destroyed.

As for the time we had a Vortex in an Apocalypse game we decided that yes, the passengers surely disappear with the transport.

I agree but in this instance it was ghaz and his mega nobs in a battle wagon (about 750 points) so he is whinging a bit. Any other thoughts?


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Ok so now he has taken off gaz and co but the vortex grenade has now hit the base of my vendetta. It says flyers are not affected but vendy is a skimmer, take it off?

Well yes - if you are using the skimmer Vendetta then you remove it.

You are a skimmer, not a flyer, and are therefore affected.

In Apoc valks are flyers with the option to go into VTOL mode (move like a skimmer). If not in flyer mode then the valk is gone.

As far as transported units go, I'd have him look to the SAC rules - if it removes a transport from play then the contents are gone too.

Sadly, that is the IA Valk, no the IG Valk. Unless he specified that they are the IA ones, they are not flyers they are skimmers.

Note to self while playing apoc. games avoid the guys with vortex grenades.

I used the deathknell strike force and had lysander with a vortex. Thing landed on a raider with a tac squad and captain in it, his movement phase scattered onto another raider with tac squad in it. Great fun those grenades are.