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Hi All,
Not sure if this is quite the right forum type, sorry if its not...
Having had a good look at most of the codexes available and watching my Tau get butchered repeatedly by uber loyalist marine armies I have decided to through my lot in with the Dark Gods. Having looked at the background I quite like the Iron Warriors as an army theme and uniform. However, not sure where the rules for them exist, do they have an army list in one of the IA books or are they a White Dwarf article type thing? Are they still allowed IG tanks in 5th i.e, Basilisks? Thanks in advance.

Well, the Iron Warriors is a siege army.
There is no specific rule set for playing Iron Warriors.
And no, there are no more Bassies allowed in the current incarnation of the codex.

An IW army is generally led by a Warsmith
eventually leading a squad of Chosen or Terminators.
The core of the army should consist of CSM with IoGC.
Obliterator Cult is generally part of IW as are tanks like Vindicators.

Ok thanks, that answers the question. Cheers.

As Wuestenfux said, no codex specificaly for the Iron Warriors. HOwever, I play Iron Warriors and this is my 2,000 point list:

HQ

1 x Daemon Prince wings, mark of nurgle & warptime
1 x Daemon Prince wings, mark of nurgle & warptime

Elites

5 x Chaos Terminators 1 x chainfist, mark of tzeentch, 3 x combi weapons & 1 x heavy flamer
5 x Chaos Terminators 1 x chainfist, mark of tzeentch, 2 x combi weapons & 1 x heavy flamer

Troops

10 x Chaos Marines w/ Rhino chaos icon & 2 x meltaguns - champion w/ power fist
10 x Chaos Marines w/ Rhino chaos icon & 2 x meltaguns
10 x Chaos Marines w/ Rhino chaos icon & 2 x plasma guns

Heavy Support

1 x Defiler 1 x dccw & heavy flamer
1 x Defiler 1 x dccw & heavy flamer
3 x Obliterators

mercer wrote:As Wuestenfux said, no codex specificaly for the Iron Warriors. HOwever, I play Iron Warriors and this is my 2,000 point list:

HQ

1 x Daemon Prince wings, mark of nurgle & warptime
1 x Daemon Prince wings, mark of nurgle & warptime

I hope you know when you use warptime you must re-roll all the dice,not just the ones that missed.

Alot of people seem to use it wrong,just wondering how you've been using it,i would use lash prince it is superior.

I re-roll failed ones because why would I re-roll passed ones? Obivously a type-o and people cannot use common sense that it doesn't mean re-roll passed ones.

I've used a lash prince - not impressed.

warptime says they MAY reroll hits and wounds, no where does it say they must.


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people that are not impressed by lashprine most the time dont use him correctly. You can spend the extra points for warptime

The key word is may re-roll ALL hits and wounds, doesn't say failed ones. So if someone wants to get picky then you might end up re-rolling the entire lot, including scores of hits and to wonud.

There isn't such thing as not using lash properly as tactics are simple and all over the internet. Lash a unit to where desired and either bomb with any form of template of assault them. Simple, point and click really. Though, lash is obsolete against mech armies, and I play against mech armies, so it had no use. Lash is old skool 4th edition list when people don't run mech - don't tell me you don't face or run mech armies?

Lash: Meh... it's so cheap you can throw it in for end game stuff when the squishies are booted out.

The last version of CSM codex had some rules for you to use as fluff.

I believe that all IW are undivided, to keep with theme i'd remove the Marks.

Well, just keep to Icon of Chaos Glory.
Load up on wanna be tac squads.
Throw in some Termies or Possessed or Zerkers.
Have lots of hvy support like vindis and oblits (defilers to a lesser extent).

That's the basics of it.
Oh yea...and lots of Yellow and Black Caution Patterns...


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I suggest reading Storm of Iron for inspiration.

In regards to warptime:

A) No one plays it as ALL or none, so dont worry about that

and

B) It makes no sense being ALL or none, because if you use it to reroll hits, you would have to reroll wounds that you havnt even rolled for yet. That plus the fact youre spending 25 points which could lead to a worse result?

The rules on page 2 make any point moot anyways.

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On topic: Look out for a Chaos Legions book in a year or two, as it will most likely include a real Iron Warriors rule set. For now, build an army of terminators, vindicators and obliterators with no chaos cult marks (only chaos glory).

I have the rules for an Iron Warriors army and the book it came outta. Will post it later tonight after I dig it out and give you the ISBN number incase you have any luck finding one on ebay or amazon or some other book source.

~Bart


edit: I believe the book came out during 3rd edition, so as with all previous edition codex/lists YMMV.

In most games you play, you will have to run the current codex, especially in tournaments. If your close gaming group is happy doing that then go ahead, but if you want to play against other people you'll probably have to use the current one (not to mention that the 3.5ed CSM codex was ridiculously overpowered).

I've started looking at counts as more and more. From the look of it SM fits IW more than CSM does. Up to 6 dreads and techmarines... Sounds better to me.

mercer wrote:I re-roll failed ones because why would I re-roll passed ones? Obivously a type-o and people cannot use common sense that it doesn't mean re-roll passed ones.

I've used a lash prince - not impressed.

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=62129&hilit=warptime

Hurr hurr

Ironically,i just vsed a warptime nurgle prince today and i didn't bother pointing it out to him.

Farmer wrote:

mercer wrote:I re-roll failed ones because why would I re-roll passed ones? Obivously a type-o and people cannot use common sense that it doesn't mean re-roll passed ones.

I've used a lash prince - not impressed.

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=62129&hilit=warptime

Hurr hurr

Ironically,i just vsed a warptime nurgle prince today and i didn't bother pointing it out to him.

Theres nothing ironic about that. And did you even read that topic? It brought nothing new to the table. See the user "Typhus'" post. Then look how RAI, how its played, and the rules on rerolls. All point in one direction.

OK, finally got back from game night at my friend's house and dug out the book. It is called Index Astartes and was published by GW in 2002 (ISBN: 1-84154-180-X) and product code: 60-03-01-99-004. It was printed in the UK but I bought it here in the US at my FLGS. Page 38 gives the rules for using an Iron Warriors Army. not sure if I can post it here though (GW intellectual property hounds and all) but The first paragraph states:

Index Astartes wrote:The following rules and codex changes apply when using an Iron Warriors Chaos army. Note that the entire Chaos army must be Iron Warriors, not just one or two squads.

It then lists the FOC, the new wargear and the special rules - one of which said they could take either a Vindicator or Basilisk as a Corrupted Vehicle (ie. Heavy Support choice).

The book ius a great read, not only for the various codex rules for different armies (Emporer's Children, Iron Warriors, White Scars and the Flesh Tearers) and alot of fluff to go with them, but it also goes indepth on the various stages of making a man into a Space Marine. Also it gives alot fo fluff on Dreadnaughts and Librarians as well.

I highly recommend it.

~Bart

It's nice if your gaming group allows it...but it's no longer official...even the Codex 3.5 will fade into the past (which what that Index Astartes uses as a base).

Also, you'll have to tell and ask permission each time you use it, and won't be allowed in any official events.

And in any local events you'll have to ask permission and notify the tourney organizer...

Ugghh. It's worth it if you REALLY want to... on a small scale and with friends and stuff, but I wouldn't say it's something you'll want to invest too much time on.

In addition, it's one of the things EVERYONE knew was going to be gone when this most recent codex came out... that should tell you that there are issues with it.

Just....use what we have now if only for the simplicity. This Chaos codex can represent IW well enough.
Loyalist SM codex can do that too...

We can all whine about blandness, but GW is doing it to all the dexes they are coming out with...so...it's kind of like: "I'm not racist, I hate everyone equally."

Fair enough. But the OP asked if there were rules for playing Iron Warriors and I just posted source for the rules I had seen.

So if you want the flavor of an IW army and your gaming group doesn't care then use them. If you are going to be playing in tourneys and such, then you will have to do something different. Good Luck!

Just to clarify this for the OP:

3rd ed warhammer40k, GW releases a bunch of 'index astartes' rules, which allow you to field a specific SM or CSM chapter by applying certain changes to the FOC and to certain units from the codex.

Then GW released a new chaos codex (a lot of people call this the 3.5 codex) that includes rules for each of the CSM legions, so you could announce you were playing a 'pure' IW army and take 1 FA and 4 HS choices, unlimited obliterators, servo-arms on characters - but you couldn't take any marks except for chaos undivided.

Now, under the 4th ed. codex, no difference rules-wise between any CSM legions or warbands. If you like IW, you have to just express it by painting them as such. If you want to feel you're 'playing in the spirit of the game' or whatever, perhaps you should not take any icons beside IoCG, and no cult troops or summoned daemons. Keep in mind that IW are siege specialists, don't take fast units, concentrate on big guns, give your infantry bunker-breaching weapons etc. But these are just guidelines, it's up to you to form restrictions, if any.

(Sorry if I've just told you a load of crap you already know backwards, I read the thread and felt it might have been a bit confusing)

The new Tyranids will be the new Iron Warriors, right?

Space Wolves make decent Iron Warriors...

Hvy:
Vindis, Long Fangs (lots of hvy weapons).

Troops:
Reliable special weapon squads, self sufficient and relatively chaosy.
Ubergrit, grenades, double special weapons, Banner, counter attack, combat tactics.

The 'loyalist' side of things represents the IW's still disciplined troops.

Elites: Iron Wolf has a servo arm...win. Then throw him on a juggy with some chaos hounds or spawns as wolves...woop woop.
Wolf Guard are great for customizing.

HQ: drool.

Logan as the Warsmith.
He can choose which weapons and what distribution... so one powerfist hit as the servo arm, the others as power weapon attacks.

Then have relentless Long fangs...woop woop.
Or... a tank hunting unit...like what they had access to in the past.

Sheesh.

Space Wolves = IW

Check

Sir Harry Flashman, VC wrote:Hi All,
Not sure if this is quite the right forum type, sorry if its not...
Having had a good look at most of the codexes available and watching my Tau get butchered repeatedly by uber loyalist marine armies I have decided to through my lot in with the Dark Gods. Having looked at the background I quite like the Iron Warriors as an army theme and uniform. However, not sure where the rules for them exist, do they have an army list in one of the IA books or are they a White Dwarf article type thing? Are they still allowed IG tanks in 5th i.e, Basilisks? Thanks in advance.

no bassie.

I'm picking up the space wolves codex myself, as it has a nice warband feel to it to try out with my IW army.....

Maybe I should rename my self as 'the corruptor of minds through count as.'?
'The destroyer of established fluff'...yea... I like the ring to it.

Though... I will suggest trying to make the CSM codex work for you...less Stink Eye in your direction.

I run an Iw army as well and am in the process of makign it more "fluffy".

GW make a "warsmith" mini. it is a marine in power armour with a big gun and a servo arm. nice model.

In theory, IW woudl only have the IoCG as they are an undivided army, but this woudl not stop you form takign cult units ('zerkers, sonics etc).

Lots of siege guns (Vindis and Defilers, although i also have 3 bassies for friendly/apoc games). Oblits are a must.

As part of my fluff mission i am building up my H Trimuverate of a Warsmith, a Master of ther Armoury(counts as Motf w/ beamer) and a Lord of the Dark Forge (counts as a MoTF w/ servo harness). I am also meachanising th entire army so each unit has a dedicated transport, including my HQs.

From what i have read they are do not use daemons and are not big on sorcerers either.

I'd suggest restricting your list to the following units:

Chaos Lord
Chaos Sorcerer
Chosen Chaos Space Marines
Chaos Terminators
Chaos Dreadnoughts
Khorne Berzerkers
Chaos Space Marines
Chaos Vindicators
Chaos Land Raiders
Chaos Predators
Chaos Defilers
Obliterators Cults

Alternately you can just use cult troops as specialized cyborgized Space Marines, such as making a unit of Thousand Suns up to look like semi-servitors and led by a Dark Magos (as the Sorcerer), for example.

/agree.

Obviously in apoc games anythgin goes (which is when i will wheel out the techmarines and servitors)