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2009/12/08 19:39:08
Subject: Khan + Tigurius interaction
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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question... tigurius says he can re-roll any reserve rolls.
under the reserve rolls section of the rules, it explains outflanking as a subset of those rules.
using khan + tigurius, can you re-roll not only the roll to come in, but the roll for where you outflank?
I submit you can.
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2009/12/08 19:40:12
Subject: Khan + Tigurius interaction
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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Yes, outflanking is still a reserve roll.
Though... it's expensive as feth...I wouldn't do it, but I'm sure other's will do it for kicks.
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This is a little story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody.
There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.
Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.
Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.
Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it.
It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done.
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2009/12/08 19:54:35
Subject: Khan + Tigurius interaction
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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well, think about what you could do with this....
tigurius + khan as HQ's... thats 375 pts
2 squads of terminators in land raider redeemers w/ multimeltas... another 900 pts
so your at 1275 spent for this... for troops, buy 2 squads of scouts, and use tigurius to force them to stay in reserve as long as possible, so they only come out to grab objectives.
spend the rest on sternguard in rhinos to outflank along side khan + tig, and burn the enemy down with a MAJOR freaking alpha strike.
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2009/12/08 20:29:58
Subject: Khan + Tigurius interaction
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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/shrug, still a one trick pony.
Mechskimmers pick the quiet side and wait for the scouts if they feel like it.
Turn 5 you will have no choice with reserves.
In addition, any plan that relies on specific die rolls (even with RR's of whatever result) are just begging to go wrong.
In addition.... seriously, lots of people run the Ass termies in a Bigger metal box, I'm sure everyon deals with those well enough.
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This is a little story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody.
There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.
Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.
Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.
Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it.
It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done.
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2009/12/08 22:56:54
Subject: Khan + Tigurius interaction
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Horst wrote:question... tigurius says he can re-roll any reserve rolls.
under the reserve rolls section of the rules, it explains outflanking as a subset of those rules.
using khan + tigurius, can you re-roll not only the roll to come in, but the roll for where you outflank?
I submit you can.
I submit that outflanking is not a subset of the reserve rules, but rather, a subset of the rules for deploying. Note that by the time the BGB gets around to talking about outflanking, it has stopped all mention of 'rolling for reserves', indicating that this portion of the process is complete, and you are no longer making a reserves roll, but are making an outflanking roll. Since we are never given the definition of what a 'Reserves roll' is, it's open to debate, although this feels like hunting for an easter egg.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/12/08 22:57:35
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
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2009/12/08 23:14:26
Subject: Khan + Tigurius interaction
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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well, in the BRB, there is a big title for reserve rules, and under that big title, falls outflanking.
leading me to believe its a reserve rule, and thus reserve rolls logically effect reserve rules.
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2009/12/09 01:09:41
Subject: Khan + Tigurius interaction
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Horst wrote:well, in the BRB, there is a big title for reserve rules, and under that big title, falls outflanking.
leading me to believe its a reserve rule, and thus reserve rolls logically effect reserve rules.
All this means is that outflanking is part of reserves, not that outflanking rolls are reserve rolls. Like I said, 'reserve rolls' are never defined so you can debate it, but it seems like stretching GW's inconsistencies for an advantage.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2009/12/09 02:02:01
Subject: Khan + Tigurius interaction
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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The Astropath rules in the IG codex say that the reserve roll does not include the outflank roll.
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2009/12/09 02:40:58
Subject: Khan + Tigurius interaction
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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KHANN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KHANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well sry just had too.
But still that would be nasty to be up against damn.
i would hate that so much.
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