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So a friend of mine claimed that, if i have necrons in reserve (since they must come out of a monolith-portal), and if he puts a tank/transport or something to block the portal, they will all die as long as they come out while the transport is 'blocking' it. Is this true?

Not anymore, Necrons may make an emergency disembark as normal.

Not to mention the vehicle has to be 1 inch away from your monolith. Id imagine that gives you enough room to put your Necrons out anyways

Not out in front of the portal , as you must also keep the necrons more than 1" away from the tank.

Emergency disembark means that, to stop necrons from coming in, you will likely need to surround the monolith on all 4 sides.

But how does 'emergency disembark' refer to necrons coming out of the portal, when they are 'Coming in from reserve through the monolith portal'. not disembarking as if it was a transport (unless i am wrong on this)

But, as you said, the tank must be 1 inche away from the monolith, but at the same time the necrons have to be 1 inch away from the tank, so how would i work this out?

Note only warriors may come in through the portal and only if you choose to use the portal. It is quite legal to say all my necrons are going to walk on, In which case every warrior will walk on from you board edge.

Even from reserves, Tri? Say, if we're playing (I think it's called) Dawn of war, the one where most your units are in reserves, would i have to bring the warriors through the monolith or could i just bring them through the table edge?

Tri, warriors in excess of the minimum two troops are *required* to deploy through the monolith portal, but the initial two troops may be held in reserve and walk on. I use this tactic in my necron army to keep phase out from being as much of a problem.

I think that the Necron FAQ covers the portal being blocked by forcing the unit to emergency disembark - even though it's not a transport it's acting like one in this regard.

KIANEM wrote:But how does 'emergency disembark' refer to necrons coming out of the portal, when they are 'Coming in from reserve through the monolith portal'. not disembarking as if it was a transport (unless i am wrong on this)

Coming in through the portal is the same as disembarking from a transport (says as much in the Monolith's rules entry). The portal is simply the vehicle's access point.

KIANEM wrote:Even from reserves, Tri? Say, if we're playing (I think it's called) Dawn of war, the one where most your units are in reserves, would i have to bring the warriors through the monolith or could i just bring them through the table edge?

You need to specify when you place them in Reserve whether each unit of Warriors is walking on or coming in through the Monolith portal. This is covered in the Necron FAQ.

Bear in mind that units in Dawn of War are not all automatically in Reserve. You place your HQ and Troops units, and the rest of your army is either in Reserve, or moves on in Turn 1. You need to declare whether each unit is in Reserve.

Warrior units held back (but not in Reserve) would not be eligible to move on through the portal, as they are not in Reserve.

insaniak has nicely cover most of the points i would like to make ...

Gavin Thorne wrote:Tri, warriors in excess of the minimum two troops are *required* to deploy through the monolith portal, but the initial two troops may be held in reserve and walk on. I use this tactic in my necron army to keep phase out from being as much of a problem.

I think that the Necron FAQ covers the portal being blocked by forcing the unit to emergency disembark - even though it's not a transport it's acting like one in this regard.

by strictest RAW your right however GW have stealthy changed the rules via the FAQ

Q. Can units of Necron Warriors enter from
reserve as normal or must they enter via a
Monolith?
A. If the players hold any units of Necron
Warriors in reserve, he must specify if they are
going to enter the game through the Monolith or
simply walk in from their own table edge, as
normal. If units of Warriors are using this rule
and all available Monoliths are destroyed, the
Warriors count as destroyed and may therefore
trigger the Phase Out of the on-table portion of
the army.

This might be because every one may now start the game in reserves.

So, to sum up what (i think) i understand:

Necron warriors can choose wether to emerge from the portal or from reserves regularly

If they must, they can make an emergency disembark (which i found in the monolith section just now >_&gt

RAW, they may, not must, be placed in reserves. (The excess warriors, that is)

and technically, you cannot block the portal.

is this all good? :S

is this as

Warriors have the following options
a) start on the board
b) in dawn of war walk on to the board at the start of turn 1
c) start in reserves to walk on from their board edge
d) start in reserves to disembark through the portal.
d2) if the portal is blocked they may emergency disembark and are place within one inch of the monolith and then go to ground.

Alright, that basically clears everything up. Thank you all!

KIANEM wrote:Necron warriors can choose wether to emerge from the portal or from reserves regularly

If they must, they can make an emergency disembark (which i found in the monolith section just now >_&gt

Correct so far.

RAW, they may, not must, be placed in reserves. (The excess warriors, that is)

Nope... Not sure where that came from.

In non-DoW games, you have the option of placing them in Reserve. If you do so, you need to declare whether they are coming in through the portal or walking.

In DoW, you need to specify whether any Warriors not deployed are in Reserve or coming on in turn 1. For those in Reserve, you need to specify whether they are coming in through the portal or walking.


The only other caveat is that, as per the FAQ, if you have a Monolith moving on from Reserve and Warriors in Reserve are coming on in the same turn, you have to deploy one unit of Warriors through the portal. Exactly why you have to do that after the previous FAQ entry said that you declare whether they are coming through the portal or not is anybody's guess.

and technically, you cannot block the portal.

No, you can block the portal... but that won't stop the Necrons from being able to disembark. Only blocking all sides of the Monolith will do that.



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Tri wrote:

Gavin Thorne wrote:Tri, warriors in excess of the minimum two troops are *required* to deploy through the monolith portal, but the initial two troops may be held in reserve and walk on. I use this tactic in my necron army to keep phase out from being as much of a problem.

by strictest RAW your right however GW have stealthy changed the rules via the FAQ

It's also worth pointing out that they were never all required to use the portal. If Warriors were available from Reserve, one of them had to come through the portal, whilst the others could come on normally.

Exactly why GW thought it would be a good idea to confuse the issue with this 'declare whether they're using the portal or not' bit, I have no idea. Although it's possibly just an attempt to keep them in line with other armies, who have to declare how Reserves are organised and whether or not they are in Transports.

What phase do they disembark in? Couldn't the monolith just rotate (for free) before they step out?

Reserves enter before other movement.

Tantras wrote:What phase do they disembark in? Couldn't the monolith just rotate (for free) before they step out?

reserves happen at the beginning of the movement phase so it can't move first.

Also, when you place units in reserve you have to state the manner in which they are entering the battlefield (deep strike, walk on, outflank, ect.). Does this apply to the Monolith as well. i.e. do you have to specify that one group of warriors is walking over the table edge and the other is walking out of the monolith? Or can you just say "these two squads are in reserve and will be walking on the board", which means either from the table edge or through the portal?

Tri wrote:

Q. Can units of Necron Warriors enter from
reserve as normal or must they enter via a
Monolith?
A. If the players hold any units of Necron
Warriors in reserve, he must specify if they are
going to enter the game through the Monolith or
simply walk in from their own table edge, as
normal. If units of Warriors are using this rule
and all available Monoliths are destroyed, the
Warriors count as destroyed and may therefore
trigger the Phase Out of the on-table portion of
the army.

Adamah wrote:Also, when you place units in reserve you have to state the manner in which they are entering the battlefield (deep strike, walk on, outflank, ect.). Does this apply to the Monolith as well. i.e. do you have to specify that one group of warriors is walking over the table edge and the other is walking out of the monolith? Or can you just say "these two squads are in reserve and will be walking on the board", which means either from the table edge or through the portal?

Start of the game declare that they will be arriving from reserves via portal or board edge ... after that no changing

(edit) lol novel ninja'ed and quoted at the same time