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On Saturday, I battle my friend Michael at GW Berlin I.

Farseer w/ fortune, doom, stones
10 Warlocks w/ embolden x2, enhance
Serpent w/ shuricannon, stones

6 Fire Dragons
Serpent w/ shuricannon, stones

5 Fire Dragons
Serpent w/ shuricannon, stones

10 Dire Avengers
Serpent w/ scatterlaser, stones

10 Dire Avengers
Serpent w/ scatterlaser, stones

5 Pathfinders

Fire Prism

Fire Prism

What do you think?

I don't feel the pathfinders 'fit.'
No Storm Guardians?
DA with no upgrades?
Council looks meaty... I feel they detract from the list. I think drop 1-3 to get some points to improve the rest of the list.


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'Improve' prob. meaning more like buffing each squad and spreading out the love.

You are right that all squads have minimal upgrades.
Blade storm would be possible if I'd drop some Warlocks.

The Pathfinders are there as a disruption unit.
If he fields infiltrators (Space Marines), the Pathfinders eventually help to keep them away from my tanks.

You could always start in reserves...
While the pathfinders really only have a 50/50 to deploy first to prevent enemy infiltrators to get into position...which you could have just normally set up to do that with 100% certainty instead, though it won't be occupying space outside of the deployment zone.

I could drop the Pathfinders and add an Autarch as she will boost the reserve rolls.
But then I only have two scoring units.

Yea... 3 is preferable...
Hence my suggestion for Storm Guardians.

1 Squad of DA
2 Squads of Storm guardians with flamers, shift over a warlock for Destructor and drop enough to get another serpent. Even dropping one Dragon from the 6 man squad for more points.

I don't like storm guardians, but I've only heard good things about the triple flamer squad (even better with doom since it's in your list).

If your not going to take the DA exarch might as well run them as 6 man units. If you drop the pathfinders and drop the DA squads down to 5 men in each you could get 3 units with serpents. You even have enough points to upgrade the serpents weapon to a bright lance or add an Autarch if you like.

Yeah, Storm Guardians in a Serpent would be an option.
But this would require to take out about 3 Warlocks.
I'll think about it.

I assume your Farseer has Runes of Warding, if not I'd make room for those.

If I add up what you wrote I'm at 1756 points, I assume you left out some stuff?

I like the pathfinders as a distraction unit, but if they are, then run rangers. I can't see running warlocks without at least one destructor (which eliminates the needs for storm guardians, unless you want them). How often do spirit stones negate a stunned result happen for you? I stopped using them in my games except for a critical transport. So maybe on the warlocks serpent I might put the stones (by dropping a single dire avenger). I cut out some of the fat, and tossed in a 3rd fire prism.

Farseer w/ fortune, doom, stones
10 Warlocks w/ embolden, enhance, destructor
Serpent w/ shuricannon

5 Fire Dragons
Serpent w/ shuricannon

5 Fire Dragons
Serpent w/ shuricannon

10 Dire Avengers
Serpent w/ shuricannon

10 Dire Avengers
Serpent w/ shuricannon

5 Rangers

Fire Prism
Fire Prism
Fire Prism

Nivoglibina wrote:I assume your Farseer has Runes of Warding, if not I'd make room for those.

If I add up what you wrote I'm at 1756 points, I assume you left out some stuff?

Well, I figured that the list is 1751 points, but that's not a big deal in this friendly battle.
In tournaments I never go out without runes of warding. You're right here.

Sazzlefrats wrote:I like the pathfinders as a distraction unit, but if they are, then run rangers. I can't see running warlocks without at least one destructor (which eliminates the needs for storm guardians, unless you want them). How often do spirit stones negate a stunned result happen for you? I stopped using them in my games except for a critical transport. So maybe on the warlocks serpent I might put the stones (by dropping a single dire avenger). I cut out some of the fat, and tossed in a 3rd fire prism.

Farseer w/ fortune, doom, stones
10 Warlocks w/ embolden, enhance, destructor
Serpent w/ shuricannon

5 Fire Dragons
Serpent w/ shuricannon

5 Fire Dragons
Serpent w/ shuricannon

10 Dire Avengers
Serpent w/ shuricannon

10 Dire Avengers
Serpent w/ shuricannon

5 Rangers

Fire Prism
Fire Prism
Fire Prism

Looks very good.
Its an optimized version of my list. I'll consider it.

Thanks Wuestenfux, I don't run 10 warlocks cause I don't own that many, so I'll tend to run 10 banshees with all the toys (192pts), and with the left over points I'll upgrade the farseer to eldrad. I'm hoping to trade to get that many warlocks one of these days and give it a go. 10 warlocks, if you can get them there, have more lasting power, and do better against mech than my banshees could ever do. I'm not a huge fan of 3 fire prisms, but they are cheap for what they can do. I might also give that farseer, a singing spear.

Well, I battled Michaels SW army on Saturday.

Wolf Priest
15 Blood Claws
Land Raider Crusader

10 Grey Hunters
Rhino

10 Grey Hunters
Rhino

10 Storm Claws

6 Long Fangs (2x lc, 3x pc)
Razorback (tl lc)

6 Long Fangs (2x lc, 3x pc)
Razorback (tl lc)

Mission and deployment: Kill points and DoW.

He started the game while I deploying nothing but the Pathfinders so that my army entered in my 1st turn.
This allowed me to partly avoid his Long Fangs.

My Fire Dragons destroyed his LRC in round 2.
They got wiped out by the (decimated) Blood Claws who then were shot to death.

The Seer Council destroyed his two Grey Hunter units.

The Storm Claws killed the Pathfinders as they were sitting in an isolated location.
Next time I let them in reserve.

The Rhinos were easy targets.

After 4 rounds the battle was 3:7 kill points with Eldar ahead.
Michael gave up...

Cheers!