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There is a kid @ the local game store. He is using a Dark Angels IC, Bilale ( spelled wrong ?) That sucker has Term armor,Thunder hammer Storm shield. I can't kill the character. He always uses vindicators ( sometimes 2). Tonight was a short game 500 pts. I am fielding SW. Special character Ulrik the Slayer. He got slayed by the DA IC. The Kid did roll amasing. The only low rolls were for deviation. I had Ulrik,LRC with a MM. 1 squad of Assault Grey Hunters. Vs. Bilale, Vindicator and 2 Tac units.
I fought him with SoB before. He made short work of my flying nun Cannoness. blessed weapon, Inferno pistol.cloak and Faith.
I have heard of "Power Players" but don't know what they are. I need some:Cheese, dirty tricks, Rule Combos that kill.
I know if I pump him full of lead he might go down or at least wounded so Ulrick can finish him off.
I do need to read up on the SW special rules. I did not use properly the "Wolf Helm of Russ". I am unclear how it works.
Yes, I do wants some Cheese to go with my Whine.

playing at 500 points does not give room t do to much.

But, Belial is pretty underwhelming. He is just a standard marine HQ with terminator armor and storm shield. Hit him with a powerfist and watch him pop.

Belial does not have a Thammer IMO. My advice, don't play 500 pt games.

Belial can be given a thunder hammer and storm shield, but as far as space marine characters go he is a little girl. So it is probably just luck why you are losing

Sadly, this is true. He is awesome for what he unlocks for the Deathwing - 130pt HQ with access to (lesser) apothecary and Banner. But seeing as you have access to IC with eternal warrior (which none of the DA HQ's have) I don't see how you're losing to him.

Must really be rolling well.

In small games you need numbers.
I'd take 2 GH squads with 2 meltas each, mounted in Rhinos, led by a Rune Priest.

Punch him in the face with a powerfist. No Eternal warrior special rule? He's begging for a Powerfist. If he's not in a squad and you have one, Lascannon snipe him

Space Marine TAC squads with Las-cannon...hop around with him running all over the place.

That should screw up his day.

For a "take on all armies, and their IC's" I was thinking maybe 1 Wolf claw and a powerfist.
The claws get rerolls. Are all assault hits are made by the most powerful weapon. I will be Int 1?
Do I split the attacks wolf Claw and PF?

I like the stormshield's 3+ inv save. PF and SS?
The last game was small and quick because the game store was closing early. Normaly its 1000pts sometimes 1500 points. The 500 extra points stink when it is Orks and Eldar.

So a Dark Angel thread progresses into a Space Wolf discussion.

-Awesome.

Sanctjud wrote:So a Dark Angel thread progresses into a Space Wolf discussion.

-Awesome.

Well, these two groups do have a history . A very, very long history. It is almost a given that you can´t talk about SW without mentioning DA and vice versa. 10 000 years and they still have that "honor duel" thing going.

Belial is pretty good for what he does (DW as troops, Apothecary and banner) but he's not a combat character by any means. In my Deathwing army he's usually powerfist bait, you can only avoid the unit champion for so long!

As a DW and SW player you need 2 things to take him down
A Lone Wolf with MotW and a Storm Shield
or
Bolt Guns, Lots of Bolt Guns

The thread went from DA to SW because it is SW fighting Bilail. How can SW deal with this DA IC.
My LRC got 2 turns with the TL Assault cannons. He only took 1 wound. The 3+ inv save keeps him in the game.
"A Lone Wolf with MotW and a Storm Shield " Sounds cool. I know firing lines from my SoB days.

Thanks all of the people who posted a reply. All of your input is taken seriously.

Sending Lots of shots, make him roll lots of saves is a good tactic. I should concentrate More on him. The IC is played very aggressive.
It is more than just tooling up for this 1 IC. Most of the Armies I go up aginst have a unit/IC that kick butt. (Ork Nobs) I am shure other armies have something special for the Assault.

Here are some other Ideas
-Logan and Long Fangs with Heavy Bolters.
-Blood Claws with a Wolf Priest 60+ Attacks that go before him.
-Arjac: A few smacks with a S-10 Weapon will get the job done.
-Rune Priest with Murderous Hurricane, 3d6 S-3 attacks, something will his and he will have to fail something.
-Combine all of the above.


For more thoughts look here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/266924.page

Dark Angel storm shields don't give a 3++, they only give 4++ in close combat

He's not that tough to be honest. He's not an Eternal Warrior so run in with a PF and gone. MM Bikes > Vindis.

It's BELIAL btw.

Logan could smack him to kingdom come.

So could TWC, he can't ID them so grab 2x 1 with a PF the other just normal or with MB's and wreck him. You can pick him out so do it.

Longfangs with HB's? No. Don't expect a terminator to fail that many saves. Arjac COULD but no, not him. Blood Claws? No. Destroyed by Vindis most likely.

I would say a flying rune-priest could do it too. Maybe even just run up with your 2x MM AB's and blow him up since he would be ID'd if he failed one 5+ save. That would do even better TBH.

BTW if your using the standard force org. he can't take what he has.

Belial - 130

2x tac squads - 160 (cheapest he could take 2x troops)

2x Vindis - 250

That's 540 right there.

belial is super easy to kill for a marine commander. he somehow LOSES the iron halo that normal DA captains get and doesn't have eternal warrior. he has no special rules in combat other than the ability to select his weapon loadout prior to the game. he also (as stated above) has the crappier 4+ invul save in CC only. all it takes is one powerfist to hit him and he's got less than a 50% chance of surviving.

How does a T-4 ID from a S-8 Attack?

Eight is double four?

I jujst checked that and you are right, I alway "Thought" it was Greater than twice, not Equile or getater.
Learn somthing every day.


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EzeKK wrote:
Long fangs with HB's? No Don't expect a terminator to fail that many saves.

That’s 15 shots with 10 hitting and 6 wounds failed 1 save true, but Belial has a Thunder Hammer What is he going to about it when he is more than 24” way. [Terrain may vary this number]

Thank you for all the posting. I don't know All the rules but a later posting corrected the weapon set up. The DA codex Storm shield is only used in Assault. In close combat the save is 4+ inv save.
For heavy armored models, Lots of shots could be needed. Make the person roll Lots of saves. He will fail sometime. Instant kill weapons are useful.
Thank you, Dakka posters. You have been more help than GW will ever provide.