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Manchu wrote:What is this Synod?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synod

While definitely a term used by Catholics it is more commonly used in the Anglican communion. The Vatican Council is a Synod and the one refered to.

Englishmen: fething with Pope since the 16th Century


Dont take it personally.

Please dont sully the thread with racist views.

You can't be racist towards a national group.

Sure you can.

Really, because if he is white and speaks English, he definitely isn't a different race...

And what does race have to do with the English Reformation anyway?

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Really, because if he is white and speaks English, he definitely isn't a different race...

And what does race have to do with the English Reformation anyway?

The irony is ironical. The concept of "race" as white is just funny.

Really, what do you define race as?

I don't.

But I do know that the EEOC can come a calling if I discriminate based on national origin. I generally view the EEOC Big Uns (ethnicity, national origin, gender, religion) as the Big No Nos however you want to call it.

Except for Liechtenstein of course. Those *&^(^ers will get theirs!!!

I still fail to see how I can be racist towards Englishmen considering that we are essentially the same. The UK, America, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand are all the same place, just with different scenery .

We are not the same and you're bouncing from your original statement-English messing with the Pope. There were/are lots of Catholic English.

Well ignorance and racism certainly do go hand in hand today. sorry I will nto give examples of how to be racist towards Americans and Aussies, but believe me there are ways. Its not that common I will admit, except 'pom bashing' which can get quite racist at times.

That aside you are trying to bring race into issues of church historicity. a better question is what does the English Reformation have to do with modern church doctrines. stuff that happened in the 16th century is bygones to anyone who is not dragging it up for reasons of inciting racial dissent.

Yep Henry VIII closed the monasteries and took their gold. Who cares. the 21st century has enough problems of its own, if its not an issue in living memory the issue shouldnt exist. If it did we would all be at war, even the Swiss would be at war. And we would be back to killing Frenchies and slapping around Yanks for wasting perfectly good tea.

Im pretty sure Henry and the Pope were not friends. At all. I didn't say anything about English people being unable to practice Catholicism. It was a joke. Why the feth does everyone on Dakka have a fething degree in humor critiquing? Did Henry not make his own church? Did that no feth with the Pope? Did it not undermine the Church? Did it not happen in the 16th Century? Holy fething Christ.



I even fething said: dont take it personally. Should I start all post with the textual specification of the meaning it conveys? This is the OT forum and a wargaming site, get the feth off your high horses.

Orlanth wrote: slapping around Yanks for wasting perfectly good tea.

Yanks don't know what good tea is. I just realized with summer comes the joy of Southern Sweet Tea.

So we send you Sasha Baron Cohen in retaliation. I think that counts as a punitive hostile incursion.

Sweet Tea is applicable all year round.

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Sweet Tea is applicable all year round.

True Dat. Tradition dictates the best sweet tea is summer though. Just have to remember to have insulin ready because the diabbetic will come instantly. Its so worth it.

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:
I even fething said: dont take it personally. Should I start all post with the textual specification of the meaning it conveys? This is the OT forum and a wargaming site, get the feth off your high horses.

Not accepting that because I didn't take it personally. We took it nationally. More accurately I had to nip this one in the bud, ignorance grows if left unchecked.

I recognised you were possibly trying to be funny but if you are dumb enough to think this is 'only joking' do a long wiki search on religious and long standing historical hatreds in Ireland and former Yugoslavia. Greece and Turkey can get like that too, they are both NATO partners and that is just about the only thing stopping them shelling each other from time to time, they last wanted to have a go at each other in the 70's which is not long ago considering the age of the cassus belli.
People are still getting killed even up to recent times essentially because one tribe hates another tribe for offenses of five or six hundred years ago. Essentially it usually comes down to pig ignorance and bigotry.
Stirring up sentiment because of the 'crimes of Henry VIII' is one of the things that makes a good American catholic boy add money in the tin for the 'cause' in Northern Ireland. I am still not sure if this is where you got your initial ideas from.

I recognised you were possibly trying to be funny but if you are dumb enough to think this is 'only joking' do a long wiki search on religious and long standing historical hatreds in Ireland and former Yugoslavia. Greece and Turkey can get like that too, they are both NATO partners and that is just about the only thing stopping them shelling each other from time to time, they last wanted to have a go at each other in the 70's which is not long ago considering the age of the cassus belli.
People are still getting killed even up to recent times essentially because one tribe hates another tribe for offenses of five or six hundred years ago. Essentially it usually comes down to pig ignorance and bigotry.
Stirring up sentiment because of the 'crimes of Henry VIII' is one of the things that makes a good catholic add money in the tin for the 'cause' in Northern Ireland. I am still not sure if this is where you got your initial ideas from

In spite of being an American, I am fairly well read. I am well aware of the history of most religious/ethnic conflicts (its where I find all info for my Templar fluff, and not to mention the majority of my higher education). If you choose to let my passive blanket humor affect you negatively, then so be it, but Im pretty sure the only reason you are so upset is because, well, its the internet. If you can't be preachy here, where can you? If it bother you so much, I'd invite you to try to actively get involved in your community, spreading the message of tolerance and acceptance across international borders so one day in the future people wont make Catholic vs. Protestant jokes.

Modquisition on. Lets all sima down nah. Its getting a bit heated so posters please take some breaths or I will have to close this thread.

You know, I really wouldn't be ashamed to shoot that rifle.

Picking off a terrorist (oh wait, that word is censored). Picking off a non-combatant with dynamite strapped to his chest from 1,000yds with that rifle would be very fitting methinks.

Killed by Hello Kitty.

I think I should put an addendum for Marshalls benefit because admittedly the extent to which these hatreds can go is incredulous to those who have not experienced them. I removee it and added it here because my post ha\s already been replied to:

Marshall there are people out there who would quite happily encourage you to hate Henry VIII enough, or go even further back, eight hundred years ago to hate Henry II if it encouraged you in turn to add some coins in the collection box to fund some fanatic to blow up the pub where I drink my beer.

Yes this is highly unlikely, and we are now at peace with most of those who used to do this. But while the hatreds still remain we would rather challenge the senseless stirring of ancient rivalries, especially the religious ones which too many people will not take as a joke but seeth over slowly until a deep boiling hatred emerges.

To say I have never experienced the extent of deep seated prejudices would be less than accurate. To say I have never experienced ANCIENT prejudices would be more accurate. I understand all too well the mean and horrible things people do for ideas, but I think but trivializing them and taking away the importance from those who care about them so deeply, your on the first steps on the path to marginalizing the crazies.

If every time an extremist pipes up he is shouted down and ridiculed mercilessly by people who dont care one way or the other, he will eventually get the picture. Or die.


I dont think you pitch one way or the other, but you do care because its your country. That I understand. To get upset over humor isnt cool, especially because I didnt pick one side.


Even worse is this thread was started because a crazy atheist wants to arrest THE FREAKING POPE. Thats a NoGo and way more offensive than stating the the UK has a torubled history when it comes to Catholics and Protestants. That has to be far more offensive than anything I said. If we tried to arrest the Ayatollah, I think Iranians would get upset.

But what if it were this Ayatolla? Would Iran still object?

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:
I dont think you pitch one way or the other, but you do care because its your country. That I understand. To get upset over humor isnt cool, especially because I didnt pick one side.

I have to be cautious. Its a combo of things: an anti-English comment, based on distant history, from a Catholic point of view, from an American rings alarm bells. Yes you may be educated, but there are lots of educated people in the US who really have a very warped idea of the Troubles and are led into religiously spurred Anglophobia.
If you were from Europe or your comment had been about Thatcher, or had been atheistic we would not be having this conversation. The worst thing I could do is say nothing because that was exactly what was done over the last thirty odd years in face of a rising propoganda sourced from the Irish American community. Because the viewpoint was both partisan and very one sided the viewpoint of many Americans regarding the troubles became so warped as to not reflect anything connected to reality. Even moderate Republican groups were alarmed by this. It led to the rise of the term coined initially by the London Irish of Plastic Paddy, someone who is more Irish than the Irish in a romanticised, often highly politicised and sometimes even comically ignorant way. Such people were a much tapped herd for extremists and terrorists and it took 9/11 to teach the US that terrorism wasn't what it was cracked up to be. In all fairness to the US, once that happened support for the IRA dropped to next to nothing overnight, and stayed that way. We haven't forgotten that once the myths were dispelled you watched our backs. Sinn Fein had a shock St Patricks day 2002, and once they were forced to the table for real leaning on the rest was easy and the peace process has held ever since.

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:
Even worse is this thread was started because a crazy atheist wants to arrest THE FREAKING POPE. Thats a NoGo and way more offensive than stating the the UK has a torubled history when it comes to Catholics and Protestants. That has to be far more offensive than anything I said. If we tried to arrest the Ayatollah, I think Iranians would get upset.

Yes the Iranians would and they might not stop to think whether the crazy atheist has a point. I don't think he has a case for what he is trying to do, and certainly dont like the motives. As stated earlier it is at most a resignation pressure issue, not an arrest issue. However from what you are saying I agree it is likely that wouldn't matter much to the folks in Tehran.

In any case finding comparison between the body of the Catholic church and the ummah of Shi'ite Islam is not the most helpful complement you can find.


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Frazzled wrote:But what if it were this Ayatolla? Would Iran still object?

Probably, his best warrior is gay.

Frazzled, you are crazy like a fox. This maneuver, fellow Dakkatrons, is known as the Texas two-step. Step one: he plants seemingly innocuous statement that is actually a tiny spark; step two: fan flames until he can lock the resulting bonfire. This almost as cunning as the "wiener dog wrap up" where he mentions TBone, thread goes way off topic, and lock results

Och, You're onto me Manchu. And the plan would have worked too, if it weren't for those meddlesome kids!

I find the little side posts to be heat sinks for the thread to post something witty and non offensive, it also gives an opportunity to intersperse dry as toast intellectual commentaries with something more light hearted. We can be fun as well as informative yes..

Frazzie wanted, nay needed to give out warnings because here we are page 10, on a topic of religion, Papal scandal, atheists and paedophiles all in one which has been fully discussed without holding back and with no sniff of a thread lock until now. Some want OT to not post religion and politics, because 'it will end in nothing good' and we are proving with every page of reasoned rhetoric that the reasons for believing that are bunkum.

The answer is not to dodge the issues and provide full concise but unbending answers back to the topics as they arise. You might get rude words at first, but eventually as we have seen most if not all begin to respond in kind. So long as we stick to principles and can 'take it' in turn when our opponents come up with hard comments we cannot adequately answer this will all end well.

@Orlanth - Here, here. Well said.

I've been following this thread with great interest - there have been some excellent points raised, and it would be a shame to see it derailed by a spot of 'harmless' Brit-bashing.

Besides, in terms of 'fething with the pope', the Germans started it. As usual.

No one is brit bashing.