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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 09:30:33
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Executing Exarch
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Have you got any examples of Tau winning?
I've only read books from other perspectives - such as the DE codex (iirc) and the ultramarines books. So they don't win much in those.
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 09:55:33
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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My least favorite Legions and their respective Primarchs are Thousand Sons and Space Wolves the reasons being DarthMarko and Void__Dragon and their arguments about said legions
The real reason behind their argument is that they both know in their hearts that the best Legion was the Emperor's Children
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 10:02:41
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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What about my "arguments" influenced your opinion on the Thousand Sons or the Space Wolves?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 10:10:17
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Void__Dragon wrote:What about my "arguments" influenced your opinion on the Thousand Sons or the Space Wolves?
The arguments you two have about your Legions, mines better than yours.
Honestly there aren't any Legions that I hate, they all had qualities and flaws.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 10:11:09
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Executing Exarch
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Pilau Rice wrote: The real reason behind their argument is that they both know in their hearts that the best Legion was the Emperor's Children  Only if you discount the Night Lords  I preferred Fulgrim as he was. Originally in the old fluff, Horus corrupted him by throwing him a 3 day glutton+narcotics party. Now it's spooky self possessing sword time. Pre-heresy they were hands down the best legion - But IMO, they fell further than everyone else. My most disliked legion? The Doom Warriors - purely for the battle cry of 'Doom Ye!' They need to cheer up.
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 10:17:38
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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PredaKhaine wrote:
Pilau Rice wrote:
The real reason behind their argument is that they both know in their hearts that the best Legion was the Emperor's Children 
Only if you discount the Night Lords
Oh it's on, dems foightin' woids!
PredaKhaine wrote: I preferred Fulgrim as he was. Originally in the old fluff, Horus corrupted him by throwing him a 3 day glutton+narcotics party.
Yup, RT fluff was awesome and some of the CCG stuff, even though this is where the damn daemon possession came from.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 10:34:25
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Executing Exarch
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Dems foightin woids where I come from. Thats why we moved Are there any legions that you're just not keen on?
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 10:41:03
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 10:46:56
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Executing Exarch
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Don't make me come down there!
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 12:59:14
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
Norway
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Pilau Rice wrote:My least favorite Legions and their respective Primarchs are Thousand Sons and Space Wolves the reasons being DarthMarko and Void__Dragon and their arguments about said legions  Haha I can see your points there. I think the best argument is Void Dragon thinking he doesn't hate the Space Wolves. When he practically seethes with red-hot hatred. I wish I could hate Manchester United with that passion. And here is Magnus as Lego figure http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121122065238/lego/images/1/1d/Sp097.jpg
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 16:20:37
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Troubled By Non-Compliant Worlds
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Umm, can I say something in Void Dragon's defense? (I just read all the thread now)
IIRC, in 'The Gildar Rift' by Sarah Cawldwell, a SW terminator is shown as being corrupted by Chaos, and part of the Red Corsairs Chapter. And if he was a terminator, who is usually from the 1st company (and most liable not to turn), then aren't your arguments that the SW are immune to chaos corruption, invalid?
Coz if you think otherwise, i'd like a proper explanation. Automatically Appended Next Post: BTW, Pilau Rice, I agree with you- as the Emperor's Children are so pretty, and plus it's ironic that they turn traitor- due to the legion name.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 16:46:15
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Being resistant to Chaos doesn't mean immunity. I mean Space Wolves looses members to the Ruinous powers. They just have a higher resistance to turning. Plus the SW doesn't really have a structure like everyone else. 1st. company applies if you talk about any other chapter except the Space Wolves. I mean the SW has plenty of weaknesses, as they are noted hypocrites who denies psychic powers with Soup Nazi-voices. They are arrogant and a gang of Uthers from Merlin. That's your average Space Wolf for you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 16:46:24
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Pilau Rice wrote:My least favorite Legions and their respective Primarchs are Thousand Sons and Space Wolves the reasons being DarthMarko and Void__Dragon and their arguments about said legions
The real reason behind their argument is that they both know in their hearts that the best Legion was the Emperor's Children 
Actually, I think their debates are often very interesting.
As a "fluffer" (?) I like to learn every new thing I can.
If only those debates didn't disembogue in "my Legion have a "power sword" longer than yours!"
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The wolves are back! *feral howl*
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 17:18:23
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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PunkNeverDie110 wrote: Pilau Rice wrote:My least favorite Legions and their respective Primarchs are Thousand Sons and Space Wolves the reasons being DarthMarko and Void__Dragon and their arguments about said legions
The real reason behind their argument is that they both know in their hearts that the best Legion was the Emperor's Children 
Actually, I think their debates are often very interesting.
As a "fluffer" (?) I like to learn every new thing I can.
If only those debates didn't disembogue in "my Legion have a "power sword" longer than yours!"
I think that's very reasonable. Although, you'd probably want new information to be as objective as possible.
Phosis T'Kar Jr wrote:Umm, can I say something in Void Dragon's defense? (I just read all the thread now)
IIRC, in 'The Gildar Rift' by Sarah Cawldwell, a SW terminator is shown as being corrupted by Chaos, and part of the Red Corsairs Chapter. And if he was a terminator, who is usually from the 1st company (and most liable not to turn), then aren't your arguments that the SW are immune to chaos corruption, invalid?
Coz if you think otherwise, i'd like a proper explanation.
I think that argument typically relies on the subjective distinction between being corrupted by Chaos (e.g. tentacles and stuff), turning to Chaos (i.e. supporting it), or turning renegade (i.e. simply away from the Imperium).
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 17:51:24
Subject: Re:Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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^I would actually prefer chaos corruption, then "backstabing their brothers" and "Feth Emp ; Huron, you are our man, approach"....
It would be 10 000 x more PLAUSIABLE (imo)....
What pisses me off really, when somebody writes(posts) something positive about the SW, then immidiatly cave trolls come to spit on that....
Funny thing, when I joined dakka I liked the TS ( I still enjoy Ahriman and his band of renegades, even more then the SW), but reading through petty hate spammed in every 2-3 post really made me loose my mind sometimes...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 17:57:32
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Fixture of Dakka
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Phosis T'Kar Jr wrote:I was reading through Know No Fear, and I'm surprised to say, just how short Lorgar and his lads' devotion runs. I mean, they start boasting they're the most devoted Legion, and they just change suddenly-for the worst, IMO.
Coming back to the topic: I love the Thousand Sons, but tell you the truth, I have no love for Magnus, coz his pride damned a loyal legion.
I also don't like Lorgar, because 'Quoting Guilliman-he's a maggot, that should have been fed to Russ  ', and the fact that he's a coward, and a brat who wants attention.
What about your views on the other legions
The heresy is Lorgar's fault. Not much more needs to be said.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 18:03:31
Subject: Re:Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Lorgar is much things - but coward he isn't...Damn sure on that...
Also, Heresy fault could be attributed to many people, including the Emperor....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 18:03:46
Subject: Re:Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
Eboli, Italy
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DarthMarko wrote:but reading through petty hate spammed in every 2-3 post really made me loose my mind sometimes...
The answer, my friend, is simple: haters gonna hate
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The wolves are back! *feral howl*
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 18:08:56
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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I don't get the chiding the Space Wolves get either, but I at least respect they ain't always well-loved. Especially by the Thousand Sons-fans, but remember it seems like Empy wanted to use Magnus as a living battery on the Golden Throne as he seems like the least favorite son ever and the Legion was blessed with suck in so many ways that Magnus feared Empy might cull them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 18:09:19
Subject: Re:Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Fixture of Dakka
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DarthMarko wrote:Lorgar is much things - but coward he isn't...Damn sure on that...
Also, Heresy fault could be attributed to many people, including the Emperor....
Lorgar started the corruption, Lorgar wrote the book that would lead to the Imperium being the craphole it is now, Lorgar's legion would be the foundation of one of the most organized (if small) groups of Chaos Space Marines. It is indeed Lorgar's fault.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 18:14:05
Subject: Re:Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Emperor made Lorgar (and the WB), negelected to tell him about "universal truth" and forced him and his sons to kneel before another legion....And they only worshiped him...See my point?
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Check @Void dragons analogy Emperor < Burger king manager....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 18:14:54
Subject: Re:Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Eboli, Italy
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Kain wrote: DarthMarko wrote:Lorgar is much things - but coward he isn't...Damn sure on that...
Also, Heresy fault could be attributed to many people, including the Emperor....
Lorgar started the corruption, Lorgar wrote the book that would lead to the Imperium being the craphole it is now, Lorgar's legion would be the foundation of one of the most organized (if small) groups of Chaos Space Marines. It is indeed Lorgar's fault.
I think that if Empy instead of made 'em kneel to him and destroying the city the WB made for HIM, had simply a chat with him like
"Son, do you know all that gak about me being a God? Well, I don't really like it. So if you stop, I'd appreciate" the Heresy wouldn't ever began.
So, as much as I don't like Lorgar, maybe (maaaaaaaybe) it was Empy's fault.
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The wolves are back! *feral howl*
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 18:15:59
Subject: Re:Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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DarthMarko wrote:Emperor made Lorgar (and the WB), negelected to tell him about "universal truth" and forced him and his sons to kneel before another legion....And they only worshiped him...See my point?
In sigilite audio
Honestly I'd have Lorgar's brains blown out. Someone like him needed to believe in something, anything, and that kind of belief is dangerous to the Imperium's atheistic creed. Then discretely have the word bearers disappear into the Ultramarines like the two missing legions.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 18:17:04
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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You must not forget Empy told Lorgar he was the ultimate man and being while kneeling to him while Guilliman eagerly torn down the city dedicated yo Empy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 19:52:23
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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PredaKhaine wrote:Have you got any examples of Tau winning?
I've only read books from other perspectives - such as the DE codex ( iirc) and the ultramarines books. So they don't win much in those.
The Tau get saved by other factions on a regular basis. Its not so much that they win but never really lose. Even the Ziest campain when they do lose its only to effectively an entire chapter on one planet. (9 companies from 9 different chapters) And that's after sacking a Forge World then beating back the Imperial counter attack.
Democulas Gulf Campain = The IoM stalls and then gets pulled out to fight Tyranids.
Vs Hive Fleet Gorgon = A single cardre stays on a planet after the deffences are broken and end up sending the HIve Fleet running.
Vs Hive Fleet Gorgon 2 = A splinter of Gorgon breaks off and is about to attack another Tau world. The Necrons show up and smack the Tyranids down and harvest the Tau anyways. The Tau still lost the world but it prevented that part of the Hive Fleet to attack other worlds.
Vs Hive Fleet Gorgon 3 = The remains of the HIve Fleet reach another Tau world and this time they are save by part of the Democulas Gulf IoM forces that got lost in the warp.
Vs Hive Fleet ??? = Shadowsun, leads an attack that defeats the Hive Fleet splinter taking no losses.
The Tau's plot armor is better then the Ultras because the Ultramarines still have the fact that they are Astartes to fall back on. The Tau just have "Surprise! plot twists" to fall back on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 20:19:05
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Must people discuss the atrociously boring Tau here at this thread? There are lots of other threads for that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 20:21:33
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Fixture of Dakka
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Beaviz81 wrote:Must people discuss the atrociously boring Tau here at this thread? There are lots of other threads for that.
Hey I think Chaos causes more interesting threats to the Imperium like the Tyranids, Orks, and Necrons to be glossed over but you don't see me insulting it here.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/26 20:57:42
Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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You know this is a Chaos-thread. I mean it's impossible to discuss the Primarches without Chaos.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/30 20:47:16
Subject: Re:Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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They're all terrible, awful people.
Emotionally stunted children with the bodies of demigods in charge of tens of thousands of roid-raged psychotic genocidal maniacs who exist only to slavishly follow their every command.
Angron's probably the worst, he completely and utterly screwed his legion, not through well meaning if highly stupid pacts with devils or his hubristic folly but simply because "they did it to me, I'm doing it to everyone else". The War Hounds weren't exactly the most restrained bunch even before they started getting Butchers Nails hammered into their skulls, but Angron had turned them into absolute parodies of their former selves and treated their lives as worthless in his (admittedly Nails-driven) need to get into hand to hand combat (I think he's the only primarch who hasn't been depicted using a gun of some sort, I could be wrong). They would have been better off if he'd died in the mountains. If the Heresy hadn't happened it's likely Russ would have received "that call" again, he'd already censured Angron who learned...nothing whatsoever.
The War Hounds/World Eaters' pre-Heresy colour scheme is cool, though.
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Subject: Most Hated Legion and Primarch
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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I agree with Fotherington-Thomas. Most of them are sociopaths, and those that aren't are just living in denial. They butcher entire species and destroy entire worlds, and they're proud of it.
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