Bringing Down Knights

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**Massaen**

I guess I will just disagree and leave it at that. To me, S6 AP2 gives ++ save models a chance to live but still represents a marine is toast when a Titan steps on him. The roll of 6 is the uber crush no chance of survival...

**grendel083**

Possibly something to bring up in the YMDC forum, rather than here.
Others may have more insight.

**Ond Angel**

schadenfreude wrote:Might not be too much of a problem for white scars. They are fast enough to get into the side arcs to avoid the 4+ invo. Imobolized from grav guns sounds pretty good, and mm attack bikes can get within 12" on turn 1.

Deamons and necrons can tar pit the ones without a d weapon in cc with a 3++ invo unit. Necrons are in great shape, they could strip a lot of hp with 5 gauss + 2 voltaic staffs jumping out of a night scythe. Average rolls are 5.5555 hp stripped easily avoiding the shield.

Ork boys and a blob seem like a hopeless tarpit if they only have 3/4 attacks, and blobs can be loaded with melta. Like WK they have speed to avoid a tarpit, but the tarpit can area deny them.

Eldar can flat out a wave serp loaded with wg or fire dragons. It would only have 1 turn to get past a 4+ jink with serpent shield.

IHateNids wrote:A Royal Court consisting of 4 StormTeks and a VeilTek is a lot cheaper than a Scythe + 5 Warriors + 2 StormTeks, and can kill two Knights in the same time as it takes the scythe to arrive and kill one.

How about a Scarab Blob?

Ten bases, attacks from titan kill max 8 with Spacing, 2 remaining scarabs drop it to AV 11 an average

AFAIK superheavies are immune to Entropic Strike and Immobilise results.

**ansacs**

Massaen wrote:Many posters seem to have missed this thing having smash - making stomp attacks AP2...

Massaen wrote:I guess I will just disagree and leave it at that. To me, S6 AP2 gives ++ save models a chance to live but still represents a marine is toast when a Titan steps on him. The roll of 6 is the uber crush no chance of survival...

Consider that a nurgle DP can get a nova psychic power which it can use in CC. Do you think smash works for that? No because it is not a close combat attack. The stomp attack is not a close combat attack and is a special ability which happens in the assault phase at Init 1. For you to argue it as RAW it would have to be called a close combat attack in some way, shape, or form.

There is also already a thread about this in YMDC. It was resolved with little argument though.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/581678.page