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 Enigwolf wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Lol no. Kevlar soft plate without the metal insert only supplies limited resistance against stabs. It might do something against a slash, but it will be just as, if not possibly less effective than a gambeson.

I'm just gonna leave it here that I've been stabbed once while wearing hard+soft plates, and am incredibly thankful that I had them on...

Well duh, if you're wearing hard plate that would be the reason why it failed to penn. Although even if it had you'd be A-OK so long as you received a medivac. Stab wounds are terribly inefficient at killing people if the selected weapon is a knife.

Yeah, a lot of people have this idea that you can kill people with knives really easily, I blame FPSs. It takes a while for a person to bleed out from knife wounds, even if you can get a lung punctured, they can survive, and it would be quite hard to get it that deep.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Yeah, a lot of people have this idea that you can kill people with knives really easily, I blame FPSs. It takes a while for a person to bleed out from knife wounds, even if you can get a lung punctured, they can survive, and it would be quite hard to get it that deep.

Word. People don't seem to realise that the main advantage of using your knife is that you run faster.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Yeah, a lot of people have this idea that you can kill people with knives really easily, I blame FPSs. It takes a while for a person to bleed out from knife wounds, even if you can get a lung punctured, they can survive, and it would be quite hard to get it that deep.

Which FPS use knives as weapons aside of Call of Duty?

The battlefield series has had I since BF3, IIRC. Planetside 2 has it. ect.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
The battlefield series has had I since BF3, IIRC. Planetside 2 has it. ect.

Forgot Wolfenstien the New Order.

Knives do not cause instant kills sadly or thankfully.

But an Imperial chainsword might.

If an Imperial chainsword doesn't one hit kill, you're swinging it wrong. Which goes to show anything that uses those would be one of the armies that engages in melee with said weapon isn't one we want to fight. Yet again, melee isn't exactly the modern day armies' first tactic, but I'm sure people understand what I'm getting at.

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
If an Imperial chainsword doesn't one hit kill, you're swinging it wrong. Which goes to show anything that uses those would be one of the armies that engages in melee with said weapon isn't one we want to fight. Yet again, melee isn't exactly the modern day armies' first tactic, but I'm sure people understand what I'm getting at.

I think you need to remember that sometimes in a tighter area such as a small office building you can easily get into close combat by mistake.

To quote/paraphrase Dr Evil, it's a frickin laser.

None of them.
Putting aside the idea that our modern military would most likely prefer to retire having never faced anyone,
If you were our modern military which space faring, magic wielding army that travels around with laser shooting building sized walking tanks would you like to rumble with?

The moment you see a functional warship in orbit is the moment you surrender.

Best ways to kill someone with a knife are to pierce the liver or rupture the femoral artery. Most of the other traditional hollywood 'kill strikes' involve armoured sections (the windpipe is relatively well protected, the spine is tanklike) or systems with redundacies that will keep the victim alive long enough for medical help to arrive (such as the heart).

As for the building knocking a Titan over, all it says it is forced it to 'take a knee' - to enter a brace position. Does it not stand back up a moment later and carry on for some reason?

Of course, the real answer to this thread is:

"None of them. Modern militaries don't want to fight anyone if they can help it."

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
If an Imperial chainsword doesn't one hit kill, you're swinging it wrong. Which goes to show anything that uses those would be one of the armies that engages in melee with said weapon isn't one we want to fight. Yet again, melee isn't exactly the modern day armies' first tactic, but I'm sure people understand what I'm getting at.

Terminator armor laughs at chainsword. Actually, all armours laugh at chainsword since they don't have an AP value lmao

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Yeah, a lot of people have this idea that you can kill people with knives really easily, I blame FPSs. It takes a while for a person to bleed out from knife wounds, even if you can get a lung punctured, they can survive, and it would be quite hard to get it that deep.

There are many ways to kill a person quickly with a knife. 4" of blade is all that is required for most lethal strikes.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Best ways to kill someone with a knife are to pierce the liver or rupture the femoral artery. Most of the other traditional hollywood 'kill strikes' involve armoured sections (the windpipe is relatively well protected, the spine is tanklike) or systems with redundacies that will keep the victim alive long enough for medical help to arrive (such as the heart).

As for the building knocking a Titan over, all it says it is forced it to 'take a knee' - to enter a brace position. Does it not stand back up a moment later and carry on for some reason?

It takes the help of Black Templar who kill the Orks that entered the Titan, so if you coordinate the whole scuttling with sending in people to take the Titan over, its doable.

 amanita wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Yeah, a lot of people have this idea that you can kill people with knives really easily, I blame FPSs. It takes a while for a person to bleed out from knife wounds, even if you can get a lung punctured, they can survive, and it would be quite hard to get it that deep.

There are many ways to kill a person quickly with a knife. 4" of blade is all that is required for most lethal strikes.

No, it's not. Even strikes to the heart or arteries will not kill quickly. Humans are extremely durable, the only way to ensure a quick and efficient kill is by either severing the spinal cord, or inflicting extreme blunt trauma to the spine.

Young guy held inbetween two others in the back of a taxi with his arms held up and back behind the shoulders of his assailants he is riddled up and down his sides with stabs from both fellas holding him in the middle. They got him real good. Young man survives and gives the identities to the police and they are both in jail now. It's not like the movies. Even if you go for the liver or femoral artery there will be a feth ton of struggling, punching, kicking, biting and all kinds of frantic action with elbows and knees everywhere. Unless you can sever the spine in a single attempt you are going to put on a huge spectacle and commotion that can be noticed/heard for quite some distance.

 ProwlerPC wrote:
Young guy held inbetween two others in the back of a taxi with his arms held up and back behind the shoulders of his assailants he is riddled up and down his sides with stabs from both fellas holding him in the middle. They got him real good. Young man survives and gives the identities to the police and they are both in jail now. It's not like the movies. Even if you go for the liver or femoral artery there will be a feth ton of struggling, punching, kicking, biting and all kinds of frantic action with elbows and knees everywhere. Unless you can sever the spine in a single attempt you are going to put on a huge spectacle and commotion that can be noticed/heard for quite some distance.

IIRC, one incredibly lucky woman survived ninety stab wounds across her body. She survived and continues to live today.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 amanita wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Yeah, a lot of people have this idea that you can kill people with knives really easily, I blame FPSs. It takes a while for a person to bleed out from knife wounds, even if you can get a lung punctured, they can survive, and it would be quite hard to get it that deep.

There are many ways to kill a person quickly with a knife. 4" of blade is all that is required for most lethal strikes.

No, it's not. Even strikes to the heart or arteries will not kill quickly. Humans are extremely durable, the only way to ensure a quick and efficient kill is by either severing the spinal cord, or inflicting extreme blunt trauma to the spine.

You are wrong. You know nothing about fighting with a knife, and it shows. I never said it's easy to kill quickly, but there are certainly techniques to kill very rapidly and bleeding out is down on the list. Quit pretending to be an expert on everything. It's rather boring.

Could we move away from the fairly descriptive knife fight kill techniques at all?
Whilst vaguely interesting, its a very grim read and not particularly relevant.

 amanita wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 amanita wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Yeah, a lot of people have this idea that you can kill people with knives really easily, I blame FPSs. It takes a while for a person to bleed out from knife wounds, even if you can get a lung punctured, they can survive, and it would be quite hard to get it that deep.

There are many ways to kill a person quickly with a knife. 4" of blade is all that is required for most lethal strikes.

No, it's not. Even strikes to the heart or arteries will not kill quickly. Humans are extremely durable, the only way to ensure a quick and efficient kill is by either severing the spinal cord, or inflicting extreme blunt trauma to the spine.

You are wrong. You know nothing about fighting with a knife, and it shows. I never said it's easy to kill quickly, but there are certainly techniques to kill very rapidly and bleeding out is down on the list. Quit pretending to be an expert on everything. It's rather boring.

http://www.realfighting.com/content.php?id=75

Which aren't useful. You need to kill instantly, as even just ten seconds of remaining conscious life is more than enough time for the victim to return the favor.

I sense multiple levels of irony.

Ok bleed out is at the bottom of the list. What else other then going for the head or spine do you suggest for a quick kill that isn't bleeding them out? Bear in mind this is a knife we are talking about, not a sword or chainsaw. As Wyzilla said, people are surprisingly tough and resistant to the idea of death. I've seen plenty of violent people try all kinds of silly stuff fully unprepared to how resilient a person can be.

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