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So Ive been messing with this old version of Army Builder for a while, and Im really loving the Mega Armor Models (especially Thraka).
So long story short, I built a list around a vision I had of a Battlewagon filled with Meganobs smashing through the enemy's ranks.

Now Ill say right off the bat, I have little to no idea on the rules, as even though Ive read the Book, Ive ever played maybe 8 times over the past year. So I dont understand all the subtle nuances and such of any army. Anywho.... Here's my first draft of an army list.


HQ
Ghazghkull Thraka (225)

ELITE
Lootas x13 (195)

HEAVY SUPPORT
Battlewagon w/ BSx4, Zzap gun, Red Paint, Deff Rolla, Armor Plates, ‘Ard case (175)
Killa Kans x3 w/ Grotzookas (135)

TROOPS
Meganobz x10 [2 TL BS, x4 BS/Skorcha, x4 BS/RL], Waaagh Banner (455)
Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152)
Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152)


Grand Total:
1489 pts.
54 Models



STRATEGY::

Meganobs and Thrakka in the battlewagon, smash into the enemy ranks and tear apart whats left.
Lootas and Kans provide heavy cover fire and Anti-Tank.
Boyz go for objectives and/or flank the enemy.



Most of this is me putting in what I think works. So naturally, I welcome all thoughts.

This tactic has been discused many a time on dakka, mega nobs have a very important niche, but your stratigy should not revolve around them, also never out ard case on an asault BW, give them all planke, Zzap guns fail, why so many big shootas? Take bosspoles, always, lootas don't really fit into this list.

As I said, It all sounded good to me.
Granted Im the guy who sees a tank with 50 million guns on it and puts even more on to be sure.

I guess I neglected to pop in Bosspoles... I forgot I had lined those up as well in the points (i think.... <.< )

Zzap gun was on the "ooh shiny" list.

Shootas for anti-inf (though it is an assault bw..... *ponders* )

so.... I see what you mean and where your going with taking elements out, but what do I add in its place?
Where do I go from here?
How should I improve this list?
This is what Im really wondering here

I have to ask you the most important question now, do you want to stay with this list desigh? It will not be the MOST effective, I can help you make it more effective though. It looks like your going for a moterized sledge hammer. To tie up enemy shooting grab a pair of deth koptas, they scout turbo boost, then tie up shooty units. I whould take BW spam, making enemy light anti-tank guns obselete. Take two warbooses (sadly not thraka) with mega armour, boospolls, attack squigs. Get as many mega armoured nobs as you can and put them in BW. Tie up shooting with dethkoptas, then hit em with a big metal fist. Not crazy effective against all armie, I'd give it a 7.5 out of 10. The next is KOS, there are lots of builds, based around 4 units of trukk boys. I'd give a well geared KOS list a 9.2 out of 10.

I didnt think you could take more than one Warboss... I think I remember reading that somewhere.... i dunno

But yeah, Id like to take the "Motorized Sledgehammer" approach. Im not much of a fan of KoS, myself (inexplicable, really... just a gut feeling).
Maybe later in my gaming, Ill get one running, but for now i like my sledgehammer.

Yep, two HQ choices, both can be warbosses, as I said before sledge hammer getted destroyed by certain armies, and works well against others, if you want to use it then I warn you that Mega Nob models are really expensive$. Anyways, get some above mentioned warbosses, or Ghaz if you want to really terrify people, put them in BW and drive at em. Simple.

Ooh yeah =/ Im well aware how much they are...
Might be able to konvert a bit of 'em too. Ill have to see

Hmm... Interesting then. Ill see how we roll out then.... mebbe proxy a bit before buying the insane amount of models, ja?

Heh... thanks a ton for the advice. Ill let you know how it fares (provided I can actually play.... heh... gaming groups around me are hard to find >< )

The Lootas and Killa Kans aren't going to be good fire support against tanks. The Grotzooka is best used for wasting tightly packed infantry units and the Lootas are best against infantry and light vehicles.
If you're busting tanks you're gonna be dependant on all those power klaws.

Alright... Take #2 on the same concept, modified a bit, removed stuff, etc.



HQ
Ghazghkull Thraka (225)

FAST ATTACK
Deffkopta x5 TL Rokkits (225)

HEAVY SUPPORT
Battlewagon w/ Red Paint, Deff Rolla, Armor Plates, Boarding planks (130)

TROOPS
Meganobz x10 [x5 BS/Skorcha, x5 BS/RL], Waaagh Banner (455)
Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152)
Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152)
Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152)


Grand Total:
1501 pts
56 models



Tactic is based around the same motorized sledgehammer tactic. Thraka and Megas in the wagon.
Deffkoptas go anti-tank anti-transport and harass the enemy early on.
Trukk Boyz run around as needed.



Now this again is what I think sounds good (with some of despoiler's tips).
I dont know if the 1 point is a point of contention or not, so I dont know what to do about it for now.
Anyways, thoughts on this setup are welcomed.

Most people who argue over a single point usually aren't worth playing... Punching the nose into their brain on the other hand is heartily approved.

@Eyclonus- as far as arguing over a single point... The rules are there for a reason, if you set a limit then that is what it is there for. Do I gripe amongst friends? No, as it's not worth fighting over, but I myself will not go over, and I make this clear as no matter how you spin it breaking a rule is breaking a rule.
@OP- for the love of GOD get a KFF mek, add one more kopta and split them into 3 squads of 2 kopta's so you can pop more then one transport per turn with some luck. And never forget to split ghazzy off from the mega nobz when you charge. When he calls his WAAAGH! He is a one ork army that can take on just as much by himself as that squad of mega nobz lol.

So add the KFF and split the koptas....
Ok.
So...

Take out a group of the boyz, added a Mek and another Kopta. Gave the wagon 2 BS and a RL, mostly because I didnt know what I could do with the leftover 20 points.

so now its:


HQ
Ghazghkull Thraka (225)
Big Mek KFF (85)

FAST ATTACK
Deffkopta x3 TL Rokkits (135)
Deffkopta x3 TL Rokkits (135)

HEAVY SUPPORT
Battlewagon w/ Red Paint, Deff Rolla, Armor Plates, Boarding planks, 2 BS, RL (150)

TROOPS
Meganobz x10 [x5 BS/Skorcha, x5 BS/RL], Waaagh Banner (455)
Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152)
Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152)


Grand Total:
1499 pts.
45 Models

Sounding better??

I like your current list, it should do well. you can also take those Deffkoptas in 3 squads if the opponent has lots of transports or what not. it gives you more shooting options. you might consider giving a few deffkoptas a buzzsaw, its about the same as a PK.

as for ork army planning keep this in mind:

Kaltak wrote:Good Ork Army themes can include but are not limited to:

Kan Wall - A line of Kans in front with a green tide behind
Mek Orks - Put everything into BW and/or trukks and charge!
Green tide - As many boys as you can get charge on foot, Note grot screens or KFF are good ideas
Speekfreaks - Bikes, deffkoptas, trukks, BWs and anything else that moves fast! (stomrboys fit in well here)

Stick with a theme and you will do well.

Almost, I said 3 squads of 2 deffkoptas. That way if one dies you can regroup cause your still at half strength, and if both die, well you don't have to worry about a dead soldiers morale! Trim that BW down, just the rolla, RPJ, and 1 BS. Take whatever points you scrap up and give some deffkopta's buzzsaw's, but no more then 1 per squad of 2. That allows you to ensure you pop transports, and if you do pop 'em with the rokkits you can then charge goodies inside lol.

Ahhhh! I see!
Misread what you said earlier Aztral

And thanks for the guides, Kaltak! Looks like im aligning towards Mek Orks at the moment


So version #3 then!
Had enough for 1 buzzsaw (dang expensive >< )

HQ
Ghazghkull Thraka (225)
Big Mek KFF (85)

FAST ATTACK
Deffkopta x2 TL Rokkits, 1 Buzzsaw (115)
Deffkopta x2 TL Rokkits (90)
Deffkopta x2 TL Rokkits (90)

HEAVY SUPPORT
Battlewagon w/ Red Paint, Deff Rolla,BS (120)

TROOPS
Meganobz x10 [x5 BS/Skorcha, x5 BS/RL], Waaagh Banner (455)
Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152)
Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152)


Grand Total:
1494 pts.
45 Models


Slowly but surely, Its getting streamlined! I think...

Well the Kombi Rokkits on the MANZ are prolly not that worth it as BS2 sucks hard. You drop them and that is another buzzsaw. Personally I don't like BP's in a Ghazzy army, but with your lower numbers you will prolly need them. If you are feeling frisky, drop 2 Kombi Skorcha's as 3 should be enough, and the BP's on the trukk squads and now you can have a saw in each squad. If you get first turn those kopta's will be VERY important for alpha popping transports to slow down mech, and / or bogging down squads carrying heavy weapons. Even if you get turn 2 if you turbo boost them on their scout move they will draw huge amounts of fire and very likely survive it with the turbo boost save. This will never be the most competitive army around, but with some tweaking it could be fun as all hell!

Don't want to rain on anyones perade, but were are thraka and BM going to ride, no in a trukk surely (there's not even room) I'd say drop 3 MANZ (warboss takes up 2 slots, BM takes up one), put the HQ in the BW, I don't know how you play with Deth rollas, please tell us, and nooooooooo kombi rockits launchas, for almost the cost of a boy it is so not worth it, they really arn't that great. Personaly I'd suggest trimming it up by dropiing 3 dethkoptas the deth rolla, the kombi RL, and 2 MANZ. You find yourself at around 1000 points, this list will fair much better in small games. Also MANZ can't have a whaaaaagh banner. My reasoning for taking off the TL rockits was that they get to shoot once, so not really worth it.

(Suggested) version #4

HQ
Warbos, mega armour, cyborg body (105)
Big Mek KFF (85)

FAST ATTACK
Deffkopta, TL BS (35)
Deffkopta, TL BS (35)
Deffkopta, TL BS (35)

HEAVY SUPPORT
Battlewagon w/ Red Paint, BP ,BS (105)

TROOPS
Meganobz x7, 3 kombi-skorchas (295)
Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152)
Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152)

Total=999

Way trimmed down, principal is still there.

I thought Independent Charas didnt take up a spot?
I was gonna have Gaz and the MANZ (oh it took me too long to figure out what that meant ><;;; ) ride in the BW, and the Mek I never gave much thought, outside of attaching to a boyz squad or something... (My grasp of the rules is weak at best, so... im likely wrong >< )


Ok, so no BPs and no Kombi Rokkits, and I took only 3 Skorchas instead of 5.
in the original list, all koptas now have a saw in each squad.

Now for the Rolla, I was imagining just smash right in and tank shock whatever. pop out and kill whatever else.
Giant metal fist.

To that list #4, It seems like it'd be less effective vs tanks and heavy stuff, and more anti inf role, with all the BS's

And MANZ cant have a banner? Dang.

If you still want 1500 pts i'd recomend the above list plus 3x Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152). Leaving you with around 50 pts for any extra updates? Or something like that. Buzz saws for your DK would be handy, you could afford just under 2 lol. So try scrape up the extra few oints for 2 buzz saws maby?

My god, I must have completely gone brain dead today! Uhhg yeah, MANZ each take up 2/20 slots in a BW's capacity. You could do 8 MANZ, Ghazzy, and the Mek in the BW. 3x Skorcha and still have points left over for more stuff!

oh I know that they take up 2 slots.
I just thought that an independent character in a squad didn't take up a spot.

I think i might need to read the black book again

Aztralwolf wrote:My god, I must have completely gone brain dead today! Uhhg yeah, MANZ each take up 2/20 slots in a BW's capacity. You could do 8 MANZ, Ghazzy, and the Mek in the BW. 3x Skorcha and still have points left over for more stuff!

NO, close though, Ghaz (or a mega armoured warboss) take up 2 slots, so 7 MANZ

(Suggested) version #5

HQ
Warbos, mega armour, cyborg body (105)
Big Mek KFF (85)

FAST ATTACK
Deffkopta, TL BS,(35)
Deffkopta, TL BS,(35)
2XDeffkopta, TL BS (70)

HEAVY SUPPORT
Battlewagon w/ Red Paint, BP ,BS (105)

TROOPS
Meganobz x7, 4 kombi-skorchas (300)
Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152)
Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152)
Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152)
Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152)
Slugga/Choppa Boyz x11 + Nob w/ PK, BP + Trukk w/ Red Paint (152)

total=1494

You mentioned gearing this to anti hoard, Dethkoptas just come with TL BS, sooooooooo. This whould be awsome. Just drive/fly up, hit and run, smash and grab.

despoiler52 wrote:You mentioned gearing this to anti hoard, Dethkoptas just come with TL BS, sooooooooo. This whould be awsome. Just drive/fly up, hit and run, smash and grab.

I did?

Oh no no... (Ill still save this list for hordes)
I should have mentioned earlier, but My primary opponent loves his plague marines and Khorne berzerkers. The other guy I play (even rarer these days) Plays eldar and is quickly building a Bad Moonz army.

Granted I play against them so rarely now... ridiculous how rare...
At the moment I want to have a generally balanced anti-inf and anti-tank army. I know it wont be particularly good at either, but I dunno I kinda like the MANZ.

no, 8 MANZ... 8 MANZ x 2=16. 2 for Ghazzy, 1 for Mek. that hits at 19.