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So, in the entry for Gets Hot!, it says:

‘Gets hot!’ represents the penchant of certain unstable
weapons for overloading and badly burning their user.
Roll to hit as normal, except that you must roll to hit
even if the target is found to be out of range. For each
result of a 1 rolled on its to hit rolls, the firing model
suffers a wound (normal saves apply). Because of their
additional cooling systems, weapons on vehicles are not
affected by this rule.

It doesn't look like there's a reference to what a "normal save" is anywhere else in the rulebook - so would I be able to take a cover save against Gets Hot?

For example, I use a Harker-led squad with 3 plasma guns and a lascannon. I have first turn and infiltrate them into cover 18" away from some Space Marines to get a first turn barrage off at them.

I have excellent luck and suffer 2 instances of Gets Hot. Do I have to take my armor save (5+), or am I able to take my stealth-enhanced 3+ cover save?

Nope cover save doesnt work against gets hot.

For example , you are hiding behind a hill , a laser beam is coming towards you , the hill could block it .

Get hot = your gun blow up in your face , behind a hill or not.

I don't think you'd get your armor save either, since it's an AP2 weapon.

Unless the wound isn't assumed to have the same profile as the gun, but I always assumed it did.

You get an armour save, but no cover saves. Sid, it's not AP2, you just take your armour save.

He is right. Invul saves apply too. But since you haven't got any it's probably best not to take it!

Sidstyler wrote:I don't think you'd get your armor save either, since it's an AP2 weapon.

Unless the wound isn't assumed to have the same profile as the gun, but I always assumed it did.

Nope, it just causes a wound, not an AP 2 wound.

You can take an Armour or Invulnerable save (whichever is better) but not a cover save.

Oops here is the thread i was supposed to post in ><

So if you fall victim to a psychic attack, hide behind a rock?

Sidstyler wrote:So if you fall victim to a psychic attack, hide behind a rock?

He is hiding from a warp blast :'<

Luna is right here.
Depends really on the spell if your looking at it fluff wise.

But yea, if someone throws a ball of psychic energy at you, hiding seems like a fething good idea to me

But you can't hide from mind beams!

So...why the hell was I under the impression that the wound caused was the same AP value as weapon, anyway?

Sidstyler wrote:But you can't hide from mind beams!

So...why the hell was I under the impression that the wound caused was the same AP value as weapon, anyway?

It's a common mistake. Don't worry about it

Sidstyler wrote:But you can't hide from mind beams!

Wish this was true the number of times people have hidden behind a bush to escape mind war, it gets really weird since they have to roll for each wound.

Sidstyler wrote:So...why the hell was I under the impression that the wound caused was the same AP value as weapon, anyway?

I think it used to back in 3rd or something, don't quote me on that.

I commend Lunahound's use of diagrams to illustrate the rules.

nope. in third it was just a regular armor save too regardless of the weapon's stats. it's just a common misconception. i can't speak about RT or 2nd edition as i didn't play them though.

The Gets Hot rule was a 3rd ed addition to the game.

In 2nd Ed, plasma weapons simply needed a turn to recharge after firing.

The misconception that Gets Hot causes a Plasma wound has been around since the rule was first introduced, though. It's a fairly natural assumption to make (plasma weapon overheats and causes a wound on the firer = wounded by plasma weapon).

Chaos plasma weapons in 2nd ed could fire on maximal strength every turn but had a chance to wound the firer.

Ah, of course they did... I had completely forgotten that Chaos plasma was different.

Gwar! wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:I don't think you'd get your armor save either, since it's an AP2 weapon.

Unless the wound isn't assumed to have the same profile as the gun, but I always assumed it did.

Nope, it just causes a wound, not an AP 2 wound.

You can take an Armour or Invulnerable save (whichever is better) but not a cover save.

Sorry, but this query still doesn't seem to be solved.

I understand the reason why you SHOULDN'T get a cover save from Gets Hot! But the rule states 'all normal saves apply'. No-one has yet posted a rule that contradicts this. Nowhere does it say 'except cover saves'.

Silly as it is, RAW you get cover saves from Gets Hot!

Right?

cover isn't normal as its only applicable when your getting shot at.

"gets hot" is not a shooting attack, just a side-effect of

so no cover.

ArbitorIan wrote:Silly as it is, RAW you get cover saves from Gets Hot!

Or rather, nothing stops you from taking a cover save, assuming you satisfy the requirements for doing so. Like being in cover from the POV of the firer...

The wound is coming from his own weapon. There is nothing in between the model and himself to obscure the shot (since there physically can't be)... and so the model is not in cover for the purposes of the wound.

On that basis, he could argue that the model still gets it if it's standing in Area Terrain.

No, I think the key argument is that he hasn't been wounded by a shooting attack, which is what would allow him a cover save.

He has suffered a wound from his weapon's special rule, but this is not a shooting attack. For him to have been wounded by a shooting attack, a shooting attack would have to have successfully Hit him (via To Hit roll or a template or blast marker covering his base) AND have succussfully rolled to wound against him. Gets Hot involves neither of these steps. It is not a wound caused by a shooting attack, and thus cover saves do not apply.

Works for me

Its not a shooting attack, standing in mud isn't going to stop your hand getting obliterated.

No cover against gets hot.

answer:

You're holding a plasma gun. no cover is going to protect you. it's directly infront of you.

'Normal' saves is pretty ambiguous, huh? It sounds like it could mean just your typical bog-standard armour save, not including Inv or cover saves.
But 'ALL normal saves apply'? There is nothing that says you CAN'T use cover saves there...


Man, how hard would it have been to just write '...apart from cover saves' in that sentence? Does no-one proof-read GW literature?

For what it's worth (i.e. very little ) I think it means armour and Inv saves, but not cover - that's just daft.

Albatross wrote: Does no-one proof-read GW literature?

Do you really have to ask?

By all, they mean that it doesn't depend on AP. So a save of 2+ would get it, as would a save of 6+.

All models have an armour saving throw (even models with -), and some models have an Invulnerable saving throw.

Models have to be in cover to get a cover saving throw.

So two instances in which models would normally get a saving throw if they have a positively rated Sv or Iv. And one instance of a special case depending on relative positions on the battlefield.

In this case 'normal' should be perfectly clear: the basic case of saving throws that normally apply to the model rather than to any conditional or special saving throws.