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Well, my CSM army is Slaanesh-based and usually includes six Obliterators.
How about dropping 2 Obliterators and adding

5 Chosen w/ 5 meltas - 175 pts
Rhino

This unit could outflank and take on tanks in the enemy deployment zone.
Is it worth taking it? It seems to be a one-hit wonder.

Try it.
I mean, how do you use oblits?
I don't consider each to 'replace' each other. Each has a differen deployment option and role.

The oblits are more flexible, and generally you take them for the plasma cannon/multi-melta.

Chosen of that kind are a one-hit wonder, but pretty reliable to dent whatever armor hovering on the sides, but there is more risk here.

1.wrong side when outflanking.
2.limited reach whan coming in from outflanking (ie less than DS).
3.Not durable when exposed.
4.Not cost efficient when you don't want to outflank them.
5.Role specialized to the max, so dulls in usefulness when there are no AV targets.

Anyway, I've seen chosen like that do well enough, but they generally favor more bodies, and have 3-4 meltas, then 1-2 flamers.

I personally just don't like extreme min/maxed size/weapons...from a soft score perspective.

Well, five meltas at close range can be absolutely devastating.

Its not meant to 'replace' Obliterators by Chosen, since both units have different roles.
However, replacement is meant point wise, taking out two Obliterators and adding the Chosen.

There are a few issues with the Chosen as you already said.
First, I never came out of the wrong flank but it may happen.
Second, a full squad of Chosen would be more durable but if they are left unsupported they will die like a small unit.

On the other hand, if you go first its not really a must have to outflank them.
I'd be willing to deploy them as close as possible to the enemy front ranks at one flank.

"Maybe if we hum Ride of the Valkyries loud enough this crappy rhino will turn into one and make us useful..."

IMO its hell useful against a gunline army in a big game. If the game is big enough then theres bound to be something on either flank.

Jihallah wrote:IMO its hell useful against a gunline army in a big game. If the game is big enough then theres bound to be something on either flank.

My current CSM army (1750 pts) looks like this:

2x winged DP w/ MoS, lash
8-10 Termies w/ combi weapons (all), power fists x2
3x NM squad incl AC w/ doom siren, Rhino
6 Obliterators

I'd be willing to change this army to include the Chosen.

One of my regular opponents uses a unit similar to this. It has proven an excellent distraction, though it is not always cost-effective.

The most successful use I've seen made of chosen in rhinos was a mech chaos army with 4 troop units in rhinos plus 3 units of chosen in rhinos. It worked pretty well because the chosen didn't have to outflank, could just deploy normally with the other rhino units and then close in for antitank. That version of the army was very strong and hard to stop in general, but suffers from the same weakness as any rhino/melta-based antitank: the very short range. Anything that can outrun you and/or deprive you of mobility can give you a really hard time.

Other than that, I've heard that the problem with outflanking chosen in general is that they're a one-shot suicide unit. And that's from people using 2 units. I experimented for awhile with a single unit, but they always seemed to come in on the wrong side and I gave up after about half a dozen tries.

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To elaborate a little more on the weakness of outflanking chosen:
-If you're lucky enough for your target unit to be within 12" of the edge you come in on, you can shoot up to 2 meltas from the hatches.
-If the unit is within 18" of the edge and you want the double-pen on melta, then you have to drive in 12" and disembark to shoot, which means your 5 guys will most likely die the following turn. Or you can take your chances with 2 hatch shots each with d6 penetration.
-If the unit is within 24" of the board edge you enter on, then you have to disembark to get any shot at all. Which means dying the following turn.

So really it only works optimally if your opponent is forgetful and leaves something within 12" of the board edge, and you get your 66% chance of rolling the edge you want. Any other situation leaves you with either trying to roll lucky shots, losing your chosen unit the turn after they shoot, or both.

10 csm 2 meltas and a rhino is 205
For 50 more add a iocg and a pfist
Or 7 plague marines 2 meltas and a rhino is 210
40 more for a pfist champ
Both are scoring units, and durable units that can also cc
Plus with 2 melta guns you can remain inside the rhino and fire both.
I am just a big fan of troops in a csm army

Thanks for the input.
It appears to me that it might be better to stay away from Chosen for anti-tank purposes
and go for either CSM or PM with meltas.

Sadly, that's what I think when I look at:

Chosen.
Special weapon Havocs.
Raptors.

With Scoring, Cheap, double special, Rhino...hard to beat really. Esp. when there is nothing really 'unique' with the other choices that sets them apart or trumps Scoring.

Maybe if Chosen had vet skills.
Maybe if Raptors had hit and run.
Maybe if Havocs had blah blah blah.

It's useless to say as they don't have anything like that...very sad.

But we work with what we have.

I may be mistaken but I don't think infiltrate carries over to the transport but scout does.

The Strange Dude wrote:I may be mistaken but I don't think infiltrate carries over to the transport but scout does.

Units with a dedicated transport may take the transport with them when they outflank using infiltrate.

PanzerLeader wrote:

The Strange Dude wrote:I may be mistaken but I don't think infiltrate carries over to the transport but scout does.

Units with a dedicated transport may take the transport with them when they outflank using infiltrate.

My bad re-read infiltrate then read outflank.

Re-read the chaos codex. The entry on chosen specifically says they can't infiltrate if they have a transport.

It's a wonky interaction of rules. If they take a transport, they're not allowed to infiltrate, but they still keep the "infiltrate" rule, which means they can outflank.

wuestenfux wrote:Thanks for the input.
It appears to me that it might be better to stay away from Chosen for anti-tank purposes
and go for either CSM or PM with meltas.

Another way to look at it is what can this squad do that Termicide can't?
Really, the answer is nothing. For the same points, you could grab 5 Combi-Melta Terminators and deepstrike right next to the target.